Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's

["Carol Green" <carolgreen>]

OK, point taken. I only really pitched in as there appeared to be people 
having a go at Patti for her political beliefs - she has the same democratic 
right as anyone else to voice her opinion.

Here's a little Patti video for everyone...

AWAKE FROM YOUR SLUMBER

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/awake-from-your-slumber/6658759

- carol


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Metcalfe" <stonepony>
To: <babel-list>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's


> Whilst I appreciate the fascination of this debate, could you not carry 
> this on offlist because it has now frankly become tedious. No-one on 
> either side of this hypothetical debate is going to give in to the other 
> and it is therefore completely pointless.
>
> This is a Patti Smith forum.
>
> The only certainty is that come January 2009 Bush will be history. We can 
> only hope his fellow Republicans are similarly cast into the political 
> wilderness. We will then just have their god forsaken mess to try and 
> clear up for the goodness of the rest of the world.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carol Green" <carolgreen>
> To: "Gart, Mitchell" <Mitchell.Gart>; 
> <koffeedonutz>; "Anthony J. Rzepela" <spamtony>
> Cc: <babel-list>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's
>
>
>>I think it is possible that a fair number of people that would otherwise 
>>have voted for Nader decided to vote tactically and chose Gore in the 
>>knowledge that it was going to be a close call. The other 97,000 clearly 
>>didn't find Gore attractive enough to make him their first choice and 
>>exercised their democratic right to vote for who they wanted.
>>
>> Question for you - were you satisfied that the recount was accurate and 
>> therefore really believe 500 votes would have made a difference?
>>
>> - carol
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gart, Mitchell" <Mitchell.Gart>
>> To: "Carol Green" <carolgreen>; 
>> <koffeedonutz>; "Anthony J. Rzepela" <spamtony>
>> Cc: <babel-list>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:37 PM
>> Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's
>>
>>
>> Yes, voting is optional and in fact the turnouts are pretty low in the
>> US, lower than in lots of other democracies.  Yes some Nader people
>> might not have voted.  But some of them would have voted.  Can you
>> imagine any of them voting for Bush?  That's really hard.  Can you
>> imagine a fair number of them voting for Gore?  I can, easily.  It only
>> would have taken an extra 500 votes out of the 97,000 to put Gore over
>> the top.
>>
>> - Mitch
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carol Green [mailto:carolgreen]
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:26 AM
>> To: Gart, Mitchell; koffeedonutz; Anthony J. Rzepela
>> Cc: babel-list
>> Subject: Re: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's
>>
>> Even if Nader had pulled out, that doesn't necessarily mean the votes
>> would
>> have gone to either Gore OR Bush. I don't know if in the US you have
>> compulsory turnout, but even if you do there is nothing to stop you
>> turning
>> up and then spoiling your ballot paper, is there?
>>
>> - carol
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gart, Mitchell" <Mitchell.Gart>
>> To: "Carol Green" <carolgreen>;
>> <koffeedonutz>;
>> "Anthony J. Rzepela" <spamtony>
>> Cc: <babel-list>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:12 PM
>> Subject: RE: Here comes the EGO-MANiac again - Ralph's
>>
>>
>> Carol Green wrote:
>>
>> WHY are you so sure Nader's votes would otherwuse have gone to Gore?
>>
>>
>>
>> In Florida 97,000 people voted for Nader.  Bush beat Gore by 500.  The
>> point is that all 97,000 wouldn't have had to vote for Gore.  Some might
>> not have voted at all if Nader was out of the race.  Some might even
>> have voted for Bush.  But it seems likely that a plurality of more than
>> 500 would have voted for Gore, putting him over the top.
>>
>> Let me ask this:  of the Nader supporters on the list, if Nader hadn't
>> been in the race, how many of you would have voted for Bush?
>>
>> - Mitch
>>
>>
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