From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 05:12:43 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71CCgtf017787 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 05:12:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l71CCgkV017786 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 05:12:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from Front-end2.KRONOS.COM (front-end2.kronos.com [158.228.2.30]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71CCe5W017776 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 05:12:41 -0700 Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end2.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:12:41 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Videotaping policy at Patti shows Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:12:41 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C9A24BCC53F2DA-ADC-9ADD> Thread-Topic: Videotaping policy at Patti shows Thread-Index: AcfUNPSe9L+ibPquSnqB3CQlAoWFDAAAB9rw References: <8C9A24BCC53F2DA-ADC-9ADD> From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2007 12:12:41.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[424FCDF0:01C7D435] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id l71CCg5W017782 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I think it (taping policy) depends more on the venue than on the artist. Also in my experience it's the kind of thing that if you ask, they will automatically say no, but then some places will actually enforce it and others won't. - Mitch -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of dlynngarrett Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:08 AM To: babel-list Subject: Videotaping policy at Patti shows Just wondering if Patti is allowing videotaping at the upcoming shows in the US.? I'll be seeing her in Ann Arbor, MI tomorrow night.? Last time in Detroit I saw many tapers (inc. video), however, the Michigan Theater is a completely different type of venue.? Anyone have any feedback from the show last night??? Can't wait to see them......... Lynn ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 05:08:34 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71C8YQn017567 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 05:08:34 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l71C8Ynx017566 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 05:08:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.170]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71C8T7I017557 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 05:08:32 -0700 Received: from DLynngarrett by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id m.bf9.1d09d361 (52320) for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-md15 (webmail-md15.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.133]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v118.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD0110-cc6046b077b91df; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:08:25 -0400 To: babel-list Subject: Videotaping policy at Patti shows Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:08:25 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: dlynngarrett Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 29047 Received: from 198.208.251.23 by webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.133) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:08:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9A24BCC53F2DA-ADC-9ADD> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.133 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Just wondering if Patti is allowing videotaping at the upcoming shows in the US.? I'll be seeing her in Ann Arbor, MI tomorrow night.? Last time in Detroit I saw many tapers (inc. video), however, the Michigan Theater is a completely different type of venue.? Anyone have any feedback from the show last night??? Can't wait to see them......... Lynn ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 06:57:12 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71DvCr3026000 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:57:12 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l71DvBJY025999 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:57:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.165]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l71DvAJm025976 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:57:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 20890 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2007 13:57:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OhEsTvEqkx/sRjrs2LLiFe0OhEC4FHha0c9RnTOgI3YYO8csbr48PA/Px7499pvsGR9olKlFLpaP3uIbFX7KzG/mOvd+11ygkHAUGxINUiWkKXyIDO4plVSDuXEkZt3kMiD7RAykoOEv5U7XneVfb120XWQwhMUA0RhRGRUtmxg=; X-YMail-OSG: u8.Bc4EVM1mhb904Xt4f2hAGG7_R90tTkjPCDVPeEZ6zfPQNxolwwl0ITdC8uAtXgto6gPRvCA-- Received: from [71.139.26.31] by web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:57:06 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Li Lightfoot Subject: Santa Cruz show To: Babel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <575873.15878.qm> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey Folks: Is there anyone driving down to Santa Cruz from San Francisco early on the day of the show (15th)? I need a ride and would be willing to buy gasoline. I have a ride home lined up. I would like to be there a couple of hours before the doors open.... Please e-mail off list. Li ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "In a time of deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell "Don't need no more lies." Neil Young "We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq." G. W. Bush 3-8-03 From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 08:21:15 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71FLFIQ032323 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:21:15 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l71FLFmp032322 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:21:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71FL8xF032304 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:21:09 -0700 Received: from GoRimbaud by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id m.cea.15d0aa7a (14502) for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: GoRimbaud Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:21:01 EDT Subject: NPC: COME TO AN NYC SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM AT UNION SQUARE THURS Aug 2nd 1130 AM till 2 PM BRING A CAMERA - TAKE PHOTOS - FORWARD THIS EMAIL To: Babel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ COME TO AN NYC SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM AT UNION SQUARE THURS Aug 2nd 1130 AM till 2 PM BRING A CAMERA - TAKE PHOTOS - FORWARD THIS EMAIL Photographers, filmmakers, local residents, and tourists face serious restrictions by the NYC Mayor's Office proposed law. The City plans to enact legislation THIS Friday. The NEW LAW will require any group of two or more people who want to use a CAMERA (still or moving) in any public location to have a permit and proof of a one million dollar liability insurance policy. THE SOUL OF NYC HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLUMINATED BY STREET PHOTOGRAPHY! DON'T STAND IDLY BY AND WATCH "THE DYING OF THE LIGHT"! SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR. Come on. Bring a camera and your lunch to UNION SQUARE Thurs Aug 2nd 1130 till 2 PM Imagine NYC photography without the works by the likes of Robert Frank William Klein Diane Arbus Garry Winogrand Joel Meyerowitz Thomas Struth Roy Colmer William Gedney David Beckerman Jeff Spirer Weegee Andre Kertesz Alfred Stieglitz . . . Organized by : the Ad Hoc Task Force Against Really Bad Ideas Rules and Regulations in association with freedom loving people like you and me to volunteer or get info 212 367 7701 adhoc just show up with a camera and start shooting. thanks. PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL COME ON! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 08:29:29 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71FTTYu000307 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:29:29 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l71FTT6t000306 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:29:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71FTRqk032765 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:29:28 -0700 Received: from panix2.panix.com (panix2.panix.com [166.84.1.2]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AA9294AE for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from spamtony) by panix2.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id l71FTL125920 for babel-list; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200708011529.l71FTL125920> Subject: More about the TROC show. To: babel-list Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" Reply-To: spamtony (Anthony J. Rzepela) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5+IMAP PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ So like I was sayin'... amazing. Here's something else the band is doing better -- pacing. The lags between songs are really pared down to almost nothing. I think the days of boots where every other track is a 2-minute non-song are behind us. Patti did chat with us a bit, still -- about her girlhood, and being able to afford an afternoon in downtown Philly just on what she made for an afternoon of babysitting. (I think this is still true, it just depends on your definition of "babysitting"). And, some of her struggles: with the "14 verses" in the Dylan cover, and, during the encore, about her struggle with gas pains - right then and there. Maybe it was because it was only the opener of the tour, bu everyone looked great and rested, and well dressed. I'm loving the hell out of twelve, and I'm really loving the live performances of these songs. I'm loving the extra kick they're giving "Southern Cross", I'm loving Patti actually playing a melody on the clarinet, and I guess I'm just in general loving me some Patti+band. Tickets were only 25 bucks. A bargain!! More money for the merchandise stand! I just took a quick look at Pollstar and saw how short the tour really is, so I'm REALLY loving the fact that they included Philly. Feels like it's been a while. (Oh, what I'm NOT loving? Obnoxious merch-stand lady, who was fascinating in a kind of MadTV sketch character kind of way - free entertainment! - and the person who wanted me to sit down during the last 3 minutes of the show, during RnRN. I mean, really. Is it any surprise that these two knew each other and were chatting before the show? I think not!) From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 10:24:31 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71HOVKf007084 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:24:31 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l71HOVUh007082 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:24:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l71HOTXm007076 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:24:30 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so105114wri for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:24:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hdBPYpxmKqHFCKDGUPMB1/C4S74ZAEEa4P2n8+UI/XwJwP9140m+g5w8u3xAhv2maZc2bQGtg5G+ov5n9O5SDTw3Yp7csUj2/bs8Jh7Bv+VJdHh08urzf/ZBo49ohj7nqQV6SdN3YGMxJMpp1bSOVQRYD/rAEJ+/F9UNou02kjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KRsJQ2QtpcSFoE4Ikl0AooGY5NzkXLSi1/Oe/t0XVcKKOEN+ibpS7sVdZSqJfOjhRo3Dg7OkjoJTgsLZA1cGxIbx/ft2XhPAk3cTeoBt2/zm7C9HfXdzhoSqwkajmcikqQF2pXoVvI8RvdntT7+WFv5nxwZVuDLn7Kr9Lgq3EvU= Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr867193agb.1185989068970; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.47.20 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:24:28 +0100 From: "Andrew F Wilson" To: Babel-list Subject: Re: Videotaping policy at Patti shows In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8C9A24BCC53F2DA-ADC-9ADD> Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Patti's crew were actively discouraging close-up flash photography and video-taping at the recent European concerts. Video-taping from balconies (for instance) seemed to be okay though. If you've ever seen Patti perform before you'll already know that she detests flash photography from the front of the crowd. Please don't do it - just watch the show! Kind regards Andrew On 8/1/07, dlynngarrett wrote: > > Just wondering if Patti is allowing videotaping at the upcoming shows in > the US.? I'll be seeing her in Ann Arbor, MI tomorrow night.? Last time > in Detroit I saw many tapers (inc. video), however, the Michigan Theater > is a completely different type of venue.? Anyone have any feedback from > the show last night??? Can't wait to see them......... From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 1 23:00:09 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l72608M8023302 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:00:08 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l72608S4023300 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:00:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l72606Yc023289 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:00:07 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Dr4VLoYfYVO2Cn2rmKLz5hr24SEvW/y7ILgwJPla2gv2EnHPGgqzXxYf5enDhZfc; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.65.16] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IGTj7-0001u5-34 for babel-list; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200784255713921> Reply-To: ravensdawn X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) From: "Paul Perner" To: "babel-list" Subject: RE: NPC: COME TO AN NYC SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM AT UNION SQUARE Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:57:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 4edfec6b6b5efd62da0aaa6235189d65239a348a220c26093dccd4d8f5e370b2968b32ef5f5f8ca8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.65.16 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There was a "Great American Smoke Out" were people who wanted to quit smoking didn't light up for one day. When I glanced at this "shoot-out..... Union Square" at first I thought it was an anti dope rally or something, given the reputation the park had. > [Original Message] > From: > Subject: NPC: COME TO AN NYC SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM AT UNION SQUARE THURS From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 2 05:32:51 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l72CWIx1011691 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:32:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l72C4MOT010714 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:04:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.8]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l72BbaJ3010486 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 04:37:36 -0700 Received: from [10.0.1.198] (cpe-69-200-83-102.nyc.res.rr.com [69.200.83.102]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l72BgkjQ016232 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200708020900.l72900XI003571> References: <200708020900.l72900XI003571> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan Cadadia Subject: NPC SHOOT OUT Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:42:44 -0400 To: babel-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ From what I understand, this information is not accurate. It doesn't require just "any group" of two or more people with a camera to obtain a permit and insurance, as it says below. The law would require a permit for large groups of people for short or long shoots (I'm not claiming to be any expert on this either, but think its 5 or more using a tripod for 10 minutes or more), and for the smaller "two or more" groups its only if they are filming in the same place for over half an hour. it is intended to regulate film crews and pros. not tourists and casual photographers. I have mixed feelings about it myself. On the one hand, I'm pretty sick of obnoxious film crews who think they own the city and can tell me what street I can and can't walk down. I live in an area where this happens fairly frequently (they used to film Sex in the City near me, ugh). And I don't have a problem with them requiring insurance for pros. It protects the passers by. Universities can purchase a master policy that protects its students. On the other hand, I do think this law as currently written is too broad and would allow the police too much room for hassling people who have done nothing wrong. . Maybe the permit requirement, if any, should depend more on what they are doing on the shoot and how much public property they are going to be taking up during the shoot, rather than the number of people involved. Its great to have discussion about it...or a protest...but, either way, whoever the group is that's organizing the protest isn't doing itself or its members a favor by misrepresenting the proposed law they are protesting. On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:00 AM, babel-digest wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:21:01 EDT > From: GoRimbaud > Subject: NPC: COME TO AN NYC SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM AT UNION > SQUARE THURS Aug 2nd 1130 AM till 2 PM BRING A CAMERA - TAKE > PHOTOS - FORWARD THIS EMAIL > > COME TO AN NYC > SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM > AT UNION SQUARE > > THURS Aug 2nd 1130 AM till 2 PM > > BRING A CAMERA - TAKE PHOTOS - FORWARD THIS EMAIL > > Photographers, filmmakers, local residents, > and tourists face serious restrictions by the > NYC Mayor's Office proposed law. > > The City plans to enact legislation THIS Friday. The NEW LAW will > require > any group of two or more people who want to use a CAMERA (still or > moving) in > any public location to have a permit and proof of a one million dollar > liability insurance policy. > > THE SOUL OF NYC HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLUMINATED BY STREET PHOTOGRAPHY! > DON'T STAND IDLY BY AND WATCH "THE DYING OF THE LIGHT"! > > SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR. > > Come on. Bring a camera and your lunch to > UNION SQUARE > Thurs Aug 2nd 1130 till 2 PM > > Imagine NYC photography without the works by the likes of Robert Frank > William Klein Diane Arbus Garry Winogrand Joel Meyerowitz Thomas > Struth Roy Colmer > William Gedney David Beckerman Jeff Spirer Weegee Andre Kertesz Alfred > Stieglitz . . . > > Organized by : > the Ad Hoc Task Force Against Really Bad Ideas Rules and Regulations > in association with > freedom loving people like you and me > to volunteer or get info 212 367 7701 adhoc > just show up with a camera and start shooting. thanks. > > > PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL > COME ON! > > > \ From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 2 09:23:34 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l72GNYbj029782 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:23:34 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l72GNY9M029781 for babel-list-obscured; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:23:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l72GNWwf029766 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:23:33 -0700 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IGdSY-0005bf-Tq for babel-list; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:23:34 +0100 Received: from [82.39.254.144] (helo=Nelson) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IGdSX-0005S2-Kc for babel-list; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:23:33 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c7d521$78d0b7d0$90fe2752> From: "Carol Green" To: Subject: NPC Shoot Out Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:23:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sounds to me like it will mostly impact on low-budget, independent photographers and filmmakers who will not be able to afford the liability insurance. Professional crews that film regularly in the city are already required to get a permit and insurance to block off streets and sidewalks. Im not in New York, in fact Im not even in America, but speaking as an observer from the other side of the Atlantic, it looks like a bad idea to me. Its bad news for creativity - and Warner Bros will still be telling you which street you can walk down while they make Sex in the City!! http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6820379,00.html carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From what I understand, this information is not accurate. It doesn't require just "any group" of two or more people with a camera to obtain a permit and insurance, as it says below. The law would require a permit for large groups of people for short or long shoots (I'm not claiming to be any expert on this either, but think its 5 or more using a tripod for 10 minutes or more), and for the smaller "two or more" groups its only if they are filming in the same place for over half an hour. it is intended to regulate film crews and pros. not tourists and casual photographers. I have mixed feelings about it myself. On the one hand, I'm pretty sick of obnoxious film crews who think they own the city and can tell me what street I can and can't walk down. I live in an area where this happens fairly frequently (they used to film Sex in the City near me, ugh). And I don't have a problem with them requiring insurance for pros. It protects the passers by. Universities can purchase a master policy that protects its students. On the other hand, I do think this law as currently written is too broad and would allow the police too much room for hassling people who have done nothing wrong. . Maybe the permit requirement, if any, should depend more on what they are doing on the shoot and how much public property they are going to be taking up during the shoot, rather than the number of people involved. Its great to have discussion about it...or a protest...but, either way, whoever the group is that's organizing the protest isn't doing itself or its members a favor by misrepresenting the proposed law they are protesting. On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:00 AM, babel-digest wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:21:01 EDT > From: GoRimbaud > Subject: NPC: COME TO AN NYC SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM AT UNION > SQUARE THURS Aug 2nd 1130 AM till 2 PM BRING A CAMERA - TAKE > PHOTOS - FORWARD THIS EMAIL > > COME TO AN NYC > SHOOT-OUT FOR FREEDOM > AT UNION SQUARE > > THURS Aug 2nd 1130 AM till 2 PM > > BRING A CAMERA - TAKE PHOTOS - FORWARD THIS EMAIL > > Photographers, filmmakers, local residents, > and tourists face serious restrictions by the > NYC Mayor's Office proposed law. > > The City plans to enact legislation THIS Friday. The NEW LAW will > require > any group of two or more people who want to use a CAMERA (still or > moving) in > any public location to have a permit and proof of a one million dollar > liability insurance policy. > > THE SOUL OF NYC HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLUMINATED BY STREET PHOTOGRAPHY! > DON'T STAND IDLY BY AND WATCH "THE DYING OF THE LIGHT"! > > SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR. > > Come on. Bring a camera and your lunch to > UNION SQUARE > Thurs Aug 2nd 1130 till 2 PM > > Imagine NYC photography without the works by the likes of Robert Frank > William Klein Diane Arbus Garry Winogrand Joel Meyerowitz Thomas > Struth Roy Colmer > William Gedney David Beckerman Jeff Spirer Weegee Andre Kertesz Alfred > Stieglitz . . . > > Organized by : > the Ad Hoc Task Force Against Really Bad Ideas Rules and Regulations > in association with > freedom loving people like you and me > to volunteer or get info 212 367 7701 adhoc > just show up with a camera and start shooting. thanks. > > > PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL > COME ON! From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 3 00:23:45 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l737Nj4B004996 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:23:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l737Nj8O004995 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:23:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l737NiW8004987 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:23:44 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FWrOPn7u0NkxjrPDzysgXi/8H2XpaStnb3qL5X0gj1j+I7svQCzjX26WvzC1PzkH; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.59.50] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IGrVc-0004Zp-5n for babel-list; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <380-220078537205193> Reply-To: ravensdawn X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.108.0 (Windows) From: "Paul Perner" To: "babel-list" Subject: RE: NPC SHOOT OUT Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:20:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 4edfec6b6b5efd62da0aaa6235189d65239a348a220c260938234c41e99d939df9ffb26bb1510fc2666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.59.50 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > [Original Message] > From: Juan Cadadia > > I have mixed feelings about it myself. On the one hand, I'm pretty > sick of obnoxious film crews who think they own the city and can tell > me what street I can and can't walk down. ................. I can relate (having worked as an extra and having lost my location pass once, yes the off duty cops they use like to throw their weight around). I laughed my head off the first time I saw the movie "The Out of Towners" when they get kicked out of a church by a film crew. From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 3 02:00:59 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7390x31011547 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:00:59 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7390x5X011546 for babel-list-obscured; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:00:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7390uI6011532 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:00:57 -0700 Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IGt1k-0006o6-R0 for babel-list; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:00:56 +0100 Received: from [82.39.254.144] (helo=Nelson) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IGt1j-000431-KZ for babel-list; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:00:55 +0100 Message-ID: <004201c7d5ac$cbc27b00$90fe2752> From: "Carol Green" To: Subject: RE: NPC Shoot Out Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:00:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6820379,00.html Paul, The link was to an article in the Guardian newspaper here in the UK. I've copied the text here for you - i think it's worth a read. carol NYC Might Demand Permits for Filming Wednesday August 1, 2007 1:46 PM By DAVID B. CARUSO Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) - Civil liberties advocates are gearing up for a potential court fight over proposed rules that would force filmmakers and photographers to get permits and $1 million insurance policies to film or take pictures in one of the world's most photographed cities. New regulations drafted by the Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcasting would require a permit for any type of filming or photography that involved ``an interaction among two or more people at a single site for 30 or more minutes.'' Permits would also be required for five or more people using a tripod for more than 10 minutes. The rules would be nothing new for professional crews that film regularly in the city; they have long been required to get a permit and insurance to block off streets and sidewalks. But critics say the proposed rules would affect a new class of shooters: fashion and wedding photographers, independent journalists doing street interviews, and amateurs making videos to post online. The New York Civil Liberties Union is prepared to take action against the regulations in court if they're enacted without revision, said one of the organization's lawyers, Christopher Dunn. ``There is no way that they should be requiring permits for people using handheld cameras,'' Dunn said. ``It would give the police license to stop virtually anyone, and that opens the door to harassment.'' Documentary filmmaker Jennifer Livingston called the proposal ``draconian,'' and a betrayal of the city's long history of nurturing budding talent. ``Think of that young artist who is going to be hurried along by some cop, who has no choice but to follow regulations,'' she said. ``I would hate to see film students thinking that any time they make an image, it has to be sanctioned by the government.'' City officials insist the rules aren't an attempt to quash free speech. People unable to afford liability insurance, which could cost between $500 and $1,000 for even the smallest of photo shoots, could apply to the city for a waiver. Journalists with a press pass issued by the police department would be exempt. So would anyone using handheld equipment to film a parade, rally or political demonstration. Julianne Cho, associate commissioner of the film office, said the city's only intention was to help filmmakers get safe access to great locations, while ensuring that production didn't obstruct traffic or interfere with New Yorkers' lives. The city is accepting public comment on the proposed rules until Friday and could still make changes. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, photographers of all types have increasingly complained about harassment. D. Bruce Yolton, an amateur nature photographer, said he was run off by a police officer last spring when he tried to take pictures of a hawk nesting on the Triborough Bridge. Things will only get worse under the new rules, he said. He wondered whether the regulations would result in officers cracking down on groups of amateur bird watchers gathering to stake out wildlife. ``There is no way for me to apply for a permit,'' he said. ``For one thing, I never know where the bird is going to be.'' The film office drafted the proposed rules earlier this year as a result of a lawsuit involving an independent filmmaker detained for using a handheld video camera in midtown Manhattan. Rakesh Sharma, the Indian director of the award-winning 2003 documentary ``Final Solution,'' was told he needed a permit to record images of the MetLife building near Grand Central Terminal, even if he had no crew and no equipment besides his camera. The New York Civil Liberties Union sued, arguing, in part, that the city had never properly enacted regulations governing film permits. The case was settled and the film office agreed to formalize its rules. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 7 09:20:45 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77GKjp7022241 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:20:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l77GKjim022240 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:20:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77GKgE4022232 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:20:44 -0700 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13B12944C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from spamtony) by panix3.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id l77GKgq29269 for babel-list; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200708071620.l77GKgq29269> Subject: Even dogs can't hear in the Beacon. To: babel-list Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" Reply-To: spamtony (Anthony J. Rzepela) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5+IMAP PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ So, I was isolated at the shore Friday morning when the Beacon went on sale and I am taking what I can get at the Beacon. I was only there once, and my impression was that the downstairs was really really wide and one doesn't want to be way off to the side, or you won't hear or see much, and from others' reports of concerts there, my understanding is that the same can be said for the upper decks (the loge and the balcony). I.e., the place swallows sightlines and sound whole. >From folks who have been inside all over the place, what's your opinion? Am I better off in the center of the balcony than the last seat on the far right in row J on the floor? Is the upper balcony a world of difference from the lower balcony? Should I pursue front and center orch at any cost because anything else there is a waste of time? My priority is not having sucky sound. I pretty much know what everyone in the band looks like by now. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 7 12:08:11 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77J8B8v001282 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:08:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l77J8BJ8001281 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:08:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77J89MB001274 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:08:10 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so704873wri for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IpRLxsPRF6YEWGfR4EgkOpxFcMrw0zqvQo4ovxGKEfWW70qKQG0/Bz7lvmGPewzlxxG+duAwZk0ksXcOWkT2Hz+dH4XNbZjpn93oaG2n3DoUpYyT9HwB8esnaLo6wPGLIYqUWCQ2ywBSa2y1iWpGQpYYKjNLA7nb3ICRwmUHTtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MVhbZMy154eX1Bb7Oe/pl4A2gIEKl3oxf1tWdA3j2/bFRWp9VrG7WMCysXB8K/CDJC6pNJros162nU3aevE+Ny2Mbvs+7yFG99Z30HKohjKB1xoU01PShPtGsaPOxjy/g5taT1DrsmCG4ecDAf5XjuDXCPPkcJuu3i8PCStqiuk= Received: by 10.90.53.16 with SMTP id b16mr6509370aga.1186513694340; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.104.7 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3f614d8e0708071208x3c3e6685iea5b416ffd542187> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:08:14 -0500 From: "Lance Link" To: babel-list Subject: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I've seen Patti 5 times now... This was the most electrifying show/experience yet. Setlist: Kimberly Space Monkey (Which she dedicated to me!!) Are You Experienced? Changing of the Guards Within You/Without You Beneath the Southern Cross (OMG! It now grows into this graceful jam that just soars!) We Three Summer Cannibals Pushing White Rabbit Gimme Shelter Because the Night Soul Kitchen Teen Spirit People Have the Power Peacable Kingdom Gloria A few notes: She spoke about historical preservation of architecture, and the importance of keeping fuckers like Trump from trumping our history. And of seeing a giant guinea pig in a neighboring yard, that later, she realized, was a rabbit (Enter White Rabbit). She sung to a very small child, maybe four years old, at the side of the stage. She ignored the drunk girl at the front of the stage that kept shouting ridiculous things/insults. Oh, and Jackson plays extremely well. Plus he's really cute :) The venue was sold out, the crowd ravenous. When she comes to YOUR town kids, get tickets. Run, don't walk. Pax, Monk in Madison, From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 7 12:27:06 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77JR5do002402 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:27:06 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l77JR5Dr002401 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:27:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77JR2mk002394 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:27:04 -0700 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.1.3]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B51D34819 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from spamtony) by panix3.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) id l77JR7o10399 for babel-list; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200708071927.l77JR7o10399> Subject: Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist To: babel-list Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" In-Reply-To: Reply-To: spamtony (Anthony J. Rzepela) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5+IMAP PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Lance Link (lancelink123) wrote: > [] > Beneath the Southern Cross (OMG! See?! I _told_ you so! From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 7 12:46:35 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77JkZwR003338 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:46:35 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l77JkYJe003337 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:46:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.254]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l77JkXOo003328 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:46:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 45580 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2007 19:46:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kX9brsa+wdZKXtt/ftG8qDEqGTvyNC6DXZBduhqG/RePMdfqfrhEpRTLQ/DcDwx0bubTritq6i8v8pIG7rpGn3BpVnqXvyUB85ArMU6hBnVTVTRdU1QGGXXSaLlIoTB4DJuX3ntfTFSP2P1rq9VLDHday3s70JRo0Ge7I30/sGw=; X-YMail-OSG: OqTX3EsVM1kiUnComd28BiFmQh1u9ye69M23szxNoUiqXwiyyp_D5zobNLmuya6Owhewr.q_.ALnCZAGo7HZjHdv3aOdF92VEngJAX3xCUG2ojfeTCW09vO5Kw7cSQ-- Received: from [71.135.35.34] by web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:46:28 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: skywalker Subject: Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist To: babel-list In-Reply-To: <3f614d8e0708071208x3c3e6685iea5b416ffd542187> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <376446.45365.qm> Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ --- Lance Link I've seen Patti 5 times now... > Space Monkey (Which she dedicated to me!!) how did that come about? coyote ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? 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FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 7 13:22:18 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77KMIit005299 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:22:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l77KMIW1005298 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:22:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from comcast-smtp-03.tampflrdc.rr.com (comcast-smtp-03.tampflrdc.rr.com [65.32.5.156]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l77KMBpl005277 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:22:12 -0700 Received: from Bob2 (c-98-197-66-27.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [98.197.66.27]) by comcast-smtp-03.tampflrdc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l77KM9ct008138 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c7d930$a1ceca10$1b42c562> From: "rslovacek" To: References: <3f614d8e0708071208x3c3e6685iea5b416ffd542187> Subject: Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:22:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OMG, she does Changing of the Guard now??? DYLAN'S "Changing"? WOW!!!! That must have been magnificent. Street Legal is SUCH an underestimated DylanAlbum! I'm thinking that I saw him open a concert in Austin with it once when the album was new. And in BobStyle opened with something old the next night in Houston, I'm thinking "Masters of War". He's a shtinker :) "I stumbled to my feet. I rode past destruction in the ditches With the stitches still mending 'neath a heart-shaped tattoo. Renegade priests and treacherous young witches Were handing out the flowers that I'd given to you." That whole setlist sounds like a totally psychedelic concert. WOW! --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Link To: babel-list Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist I've seen Patti 5 times now... This was the most electrifying show/experience yet. Setlist: Kimberly Space Monkey (Which she dedicated to me!!) Are You Experienced? Changing of the Guards Within You/Without You Beneath the Southern Cross (OMG! It now grows into this graceful jam that just soars!) We Three Summer Cannibals Pushing White Rabbit Gimme Shelter Because the Night Soul Kitchen Teen Spirit People Have the Power Peacable Kingdom Gloria From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 8 10:17:38 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l78HHchf010867 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:17:38 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l78HHcLm010866 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:17:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from g2host.com (mailfront2.mn2.visi.com [208.42.176.213]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l78HHap8010855 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:17:37 -0700 Received: from [75.161.168.247] (account dcarr HELO [10.0.0.9]) by mailfront2.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTPA id 12476156 for babel-list; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:17:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200708080900.l78901vR016382> References: <200708080900.l78901vR016382> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Dan Carr Subject: Re: babel-digest V12 #173 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:17:35 -0500 To: babel-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id l78HHbp8010861 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ August 6 in Minneapolis was also very enjoyable. Patti was as talkative as I've seen in my 7 or shows seeing her (and very entertaining!). The State Theater, though lovely, was not as conducive to an extraordinary show as First Avenue has been, where she's played the past few times through town. But great fun nonetheless. Heres her set list from the State Theatre on Monday (from Star Tribune--but matches my recollection): 1. Kimberly 2. Redondo Beach 3. Changing of the Guards (Bob Dylan) 4. Are You Experienced (Jimi Hendrix) 5. Within You/Without You (Beatles) 6. Southern Cross 7. We 3 8. Summer Cannibals 9. Pushing Too Hard (Seeds song sung by Lenny Kaye) 10. White Rabbit (Jefferson Airplane) 11. Because the Night 12. Soul Kitchen (Doors) 13. Midnight Rider (Allman Bros) 14. Smells Like teen Spirit (Nirvana) 15. People Have the Power encores 16. Helpless (Neil Young) 17. Gimme Shelter (Stones) 18. Rock n Roll Nigger some links to more... http://www.startribune.com/1374/story/1348040.html http://www.startribune.com/blogs/poplife/?p=368#comments http://www.startribune.com/music/story/1335380.html On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:00 AM, babel-digest wrote: babel-digest Wednesday, August 8 2007 Volume 12 : Number 173 In this issue: Even dogs can't hear in the Beacon. Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the babel- list or babel-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" Subject: Even dogs can't hear in the Beacon. So, I was isolated at the shore Friday morning when the Beacon went on sale and I am taking what I can get at the Beacon. I was only there once, and my impression was that the downstairs was really really wide and one doesn't want to be way off to the side, or you won't hear or see much, and from others' reports of concerts there, my understanding is that the same can be said for the upper decks (the loge and the balcony). I.e., the place swallows sightlines and sound whole. > From folks who have been inside all over the place, what's your opinion? Am I better off in the center of the balcony than the last seat on the far right in row J on the floor? Is the upper balcony a world of difference from the lower balcony? Should I pursue front and center orch at any cost because anything else there is a waste of time? My priority is not having sucky sound. I pretty much know what everyone in the band looks like by now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:08:14 -0500 From: "Lance Link" Subject: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist I've seen Patti 5 times now... This was the most electrifying show/experience yet. Setlist: Kimberly Space Monkey (Which she dedicated to me!!) Are You Experienced? Changing of the Guards Within You/Without You Beneath the Southern Cross (OMG! It now grows into this graceful jam that just soars!) We Three Summer Cannibals Pushing White Rabbit Gimme Shelter Because the Night Soul Kitchen Teen Spirit People Have the Power Peacable Kingdom Gloria A few notes: She spoke about historical preservation of architecture, and the importance of keeping fuckers like Trump from trumping our history. And of seeing a giant guinea pig in a neighboring yard, that later, she realized, was a rabbit (Enter White Rabbit). She sung to a very small child, maybe four years old, at the side of the stage. She ignored the drunk girl at the front of the stage that kept shouting ridiculous things/insults. Oh, and Jackson plays extremely well. Plus he's really cute :) The venue was sold out, the crowd ravenous. When she comes to YOUR town kids, get tickets. Run, don't walk. Pax, Monk in Madison, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" Subject: Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist Lance Link (lancelink123) wrote: > [] > Beneath the Southern Cross (OMG! See?! I _told_ you so! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: skywalker Subject: Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist - --- Lance Link I've seen Patti 5 times now... > Space Monkey (Which she dedicated to me!!) how did that come about? coyote ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:22:08 -0500 From: "rslovacek" Subject: Re: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist OMG, she does Changing of the Guard now??? DYLAN'S "Changing"? WOW!!!! That must have been magnificent. Street Legal is SUCH an underestimated DylanAlbum! I'm thinking that I saw him open a concert in Austin with it once when the album was new. And in BobStyle opened with something old the next night in Houston, I'm thinking "Masters of War". He's a shtinker :) "I stumbled to my feet. I rode past destruction in the ditches With the stitches still mending 'neath a heart-shaped tattoo. Renegade priests and treacherous young witches Were handing out the flowers that I'd given to you." That whole setlist sounds like a totally psychedelic concert. WOW! - --Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Link To: babel-list Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Madison, Wisconsin 8/5/07 Setlist I've seen Patti 5 times now... This was the most electrifying show/experience yet. Setlist: Kimberly Space Monkey (Which she dedicated to me!!) Are You Experienced? Changing of the Guards Within You/Without You Beneath the Southern Cross (OMG! It now grows into this graceful jam that just soars!) We Three Summer Cannibals Pushing White Rabbit Gimme Shelter Because the Night Soul Kitchen Teen Spirit People Have the Power Peacable Kingdom Gloria ------------------------------ End of babel-digest V12 #173 **************************** To unsubscribe from babel-digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "majordomo": unsubscribe babel-digest To subscribe, send the command "subscribe babel-digest" instead. 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From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 8 22:41:27 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l795fR8Y018018 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:41:27 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l795fQ2s018017 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:41:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.116]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l795fP6U018012 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:41:26 -0700 Received: from mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.15]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id D8FA362D4B5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 05:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 71-215-211-76.mpls.qwest.net (HELO Roe) (71.215.211.76) by mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 05:41:36 -0000 Message-ID: From: "MP" To: References: <200708080900.l78901vR016382> In-Reply-To: Subject: Minneapolis Show (Aug 6) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 00:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000764-2, 08/08/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I've been around the list for a few years, but rarely post, however this was so wonderful I have to share my experience with you people. The Minneapolis show was one of the best I've been to from Patti, this is my fourth time seeing her in Minneapolis. It is true the First Avenue would have been better. I think Patti would have had to play two shows for that venue, though. The last time I was at the First Avenue it was for Neko Case, and they oversold, it was horrible down by the stage, warm and hard to breathe for most people, though my friend and I had a small pocket of air because I was being a concert troll and keeping a space for air in front of us by moving back and forth and not letting anyone in, so the State Theater at least gave us space, but I don't think Patti liked the place or the security there too much. It was my husband's first time seeing Patti, I usually go to concerts with my best friend, because my husband doesn't like going to concerts, but I really wanted him to see how amazing Patti is, and he agreed, he said it was a wonderful concert and that Patti was great. He really enjoyed it. To me, the concert started a little slow, never been a fan of Redondo Beach or Kimberly, and the fact that people were coming in late was a tad annoying, but all in all it turned out to be a great show. My highlight was Summer Cannibals, that's one of my favorites. I especially loved Rock n Roll Nigger and her getting the audience riled up at the end. It was weird, someone was smoking pot there, I haven't been in a concert when I smelled that for at least 20 years, I thought that was funny. My husband thought the guy that was yelling play Rock n Roll the N word needed to be taken out and thumped, lol. I waited so long for this concert and it went so fast, I feel like wow, I wish Patti would play here every 6 months hahaha. Definetely one of the best concerts I've seen this year. Mauri From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 11 09:18:12 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7BGICr7012308 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:18:12 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7BGIC1Q012307 for babel-list-obscured; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:18:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7BGIAof012300 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:18:11 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=D+n7t1h9qqcye6KtHaBJR+uBQZJi50xVHoRwOL+dWyNNnVoKTRbrgsu180mWb0v1; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.43] (helo=elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IJtfE-0002jx-Kb for babel-list; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:18:08 -0400 Received: from 209.162.16.57 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <11960848.1186849086651.JavaMail.root> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:18:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Keith Reply-To: Keith To: babel-digest Subject: Patti live on 89.3 The Current Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 714f392c8724831074bf435c0eb9d47883cda70a3f3dc3bec674b6821d3f80a423d24bb4f1a8fa96350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http://popdrivel.blogspot.com/2007/08/patti-smith-live-on-current-8-7-2007.html Patti Smith - Live on The Current, 8-7-2007 The legendary folk poetess Patti Smith made a rare appearance at Minnesota Public Radio's The Current studio this week, and played three very special songs. Patti Smith - Live on The Current, 8-7-2007 (mp3s): Grateful People Have The Power My Blakean Year From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 12 06:46:18 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7CDkIAk017656 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:46:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7CDkI07017655 for babel-list-obscured; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:46:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.182]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7CDkGPQ017649 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:46:17 -0700 Received: from webmail012 (webmail012-s [10.13.128.12]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout12/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id l7CDkFot028204 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:46:15 -0700 From: "Barry E. McCann" To: babel-list Message-ID: <71E0C746-0114-1000-C9C2-8D4901A4188F-Webmail-10018> in-reply-to: <200708120900.l7C9007v030957> references: <200708120900.l7C9007v030957> Subject: Patti in Seattle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 71.216.13.30 Received: from [71.216.13.30] from webmail.mac.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:46:15 -0700 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Was lucky enough to catch Patti in Seattle--after missing her in Colorado. A guess---she played to about 1000 people at The Show Box theatre. Killer versions of Are You Experienced, Southern Cross, Summer Cannibals, Because the Night, People Have the Power, Lenny Kaye's leading ofPushin' too Hard, REM's Everybody Hurts, and Rock n Roll Nigger. Peter Buck of REM joined the show for the last few songs plus the encores. Barry Keep uncompromised; Stay poor; try to keep out from Under the boot; love one another; Reject all illusions; wait . . . --Kenneth Rexroth Photo Homepage updated on7/26/07 http://homepage.mac.com/mccannclan/PhotoAlbum2.html From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 12 13:06:31 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7CK6U9N004988 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:06:31 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7CK6U6A004987 for babel-list-obscured; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:06:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7CK6SBS004974 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:06:29 -0700 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Aug 2007 20:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [84.114.51.25]) [84.114.51.25] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 22:06:23 +0200 X-Authenticated: #2028925 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+qx8sPaiCqo2PqcMV3wasdRbgm+3EUQwiraukZHg of3b87vS159H+C Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <67D7FB3C-5D93-4ABA-89C2-C370FA1E6A0C> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: babel-list From: Gabriel Swossil Subject: Patti Smith 2003 Hermann Hesse Museum, Montagnola, Switzerland - FM Broadcast Download Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:06:16 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Free guest-download at: http://www.mindwarppavilion.org/ezt/torrents- details.php?id=501 Patti Smith - Montagnola 2003 Hermann Hesse Museum, Montagnola, Switzerland / 30. July 2003 / Broadcast Date unknown Label: none Audio Source: radio broadcast "Rock Special" DRS3 Lineage: FM --> DAT --> CDR --> Toast --> SHN --> FLAC (level 8 ) --> MWP Number of Discs: 1 Artwork: included Tracklisting: 01 - Intro / Radio Moderator 0:41 02 - Paths That Cross 4:30 03 - Beneath The Southern Cross 5:10 04 - Documentation / Interview 12:08 05 - If I Needed Someone 1:59 06 - Documentation / Interview 2 2:43 07 - Radio Commercial Break 0:46 08 - Pissing In A River 4:59 09 - Because The Night 3:43 10 - Dancing Barefoot 5:12 11 - Wing 6:00 12 - People Have The Power 6:20 13 - Gloria (fades out) 2:32 From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 12 13:41:24 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7CKfO8M006951 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:41:24 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7CKfNgf006950 for babel-list-obscured; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:41:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.249]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7CKfMjk006935 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:41:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 56269 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2007 20:41:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zXGtU/CFxTv9crY2cK01aLz44+6g7LBfpw2DoOBxxyEGwY4Zj9n0M4c3PjMP7U/0MxH7LfwSD4Fbgs0kibcgprfI5dwJRNvoVH0hP9Hw9Mhpn18OIyZRV1H453QyPsomuLHKX4ZW3t0C2esa3TLCqvL5qllKQkZPCwbXr733ZhU=; X-YMail-OSG: .LZinM8VM1m5me4HwBA4Kc2xN01fWT.v2cl3uSnpncfzPYRa4TFj_ejsFNYkdOr.RX_AAxg2230Y18l5C8yLk7M9DK4CS4G6EWcZVmI93U6bfQlFSC0- Received: from [71.135.35.34] by web37306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:41:17 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: skywalker Subject: Re: Patti Smith 2003 Hermann Hesse Museum, Montagnola, Switzerland - FM Broadcast Download To: babel-list In-Reply-To: <67D7FB3C-5D93-4ABA-89C2-C370FA1E6A0C> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <131424.56117.qm> Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ the FM is also at http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=154034 and a complete version is at http://tapecity.org/showthread.php?p=93022 --- Gabriel Swossil wrote: > Free guest-download at: http://www.mindwarppavilion.org/ezt/torrents- > details.php?id=501 > > Patti Smith - Montagnola 2003 > Hermann Hesse Museum, Montagnola, Switzerland / 30. July 2003 / ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 12 14:38:25 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7CLcPdS010118 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:38:25 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7CLcPbU010117 for babel-list-obscured; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:38:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7CLcMJa010108 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:38:23 -0700 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Aug 2007 21:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [84.114.51.25]) [84.114.51.25] by mail.gmx.net (mp057) with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 23:38:23 +0200 X-Authenticated: #2028925 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/fTnRPOh/fOqcJXdjPsODCSYGR8zSAvkk+6blu/k PxOak4wqfeBXfA Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <091CDA43-0C25-4894-8927-07C0F8675149> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: babel-list From: Gabriel Swossil Subject: ISO these recordings Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:38:16 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi, I am looking for these recordings. If anyone still has the flacs from the downloads I'd be very happy if you contact me. Thanks a lot! Patti Smith - White Session, Paris 2004 [no label 1CD] live at Studio 105, Maison De La Radio, Paris, Oct 22 2004. This is an incredible show. Patti is convincingly subtle away from a boisterous audience. Incldues People Have The Power and Because The Night. Digital FM broadcast. Ex FM [Track 3 has skip at 2.56m mark. This is in the original broadcast. Also slight error on Track 6. Patti Smith - At The Cirkus 2004 [Crystal Cat 2CD] live at the Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden, July 13 2004, tour to support Trampin'. Ex SBD stereo. Some have said this is an audience recording. To my ears, it's soundboard. Patti Smith - Camden 2005 [no label 1CD Torrent: 112535] live at Wiggins Park, Camden, New Jersey, July 24, 2005 and broadcast on "WXPN All About The Music Festival". "The first two songs are without drums as Jay Dee Daugherty was "delayed on a series of train and plane mishaps." Ex SBD/AUD Matrix mix. Patti Smith - White Session, Paris 2004 [no label 1CD] live at Studio 105, Maison De La Radio, Paris, Oct 22 2004. This is an incredible show. Patti is convincingly subtle away from a boisterous audience. Incldues People Have The Power and Because The Night. Digital FM broadcast. Ex FM [Track 3 has skip at 2.56m mark. This is in the original broadcast. Also slight error on Track 6. From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 12 15:00:39 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7CM0cZC010929 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7CM0ckn010928 for babel-list-obscured; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.90.252]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7CM0boD010919 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 15097 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2007 22:00:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SaCBZJF1iSBhZt5u1R41/RCqO+a+TAYxzoAbZ9sOfMyiJ4clDRA80WUbUQ9ax9ZDU+4fl4uB9buvyDHy44t1RgHYbKPGHavPA96QecN5kRTG8MdKPZyNG+2YQrIR5tFpD4Blec+OKckKEXeltfJK4TrSxXHOO8x0NnA75Jha/Xc=; X-YMail-OSG: 9uDpRe0VM1nIj1ieTUs5rPqVoBNA1ow244Yn6QwMGL5fZxWMGl5Hw5IGQdkHK8py4bkGOcBrbOG5_5U5VcW8_5HfH7iy0pyDK6d7 Received: from [71.135.35.34] by web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:34 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: skywalker Subject: Re: ISO these recordings To: babel-list In-Reply-To: <091CDA43-0C25-4894-8927-07C0F8675149> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <920256.15052.qm> Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ --- Gabriel Swossil wrote: > I am looking for these recordings. > > Patti Smith - Camden 2005 [no label 1CD Torrent: 112535] live at > Wiggins Park, Camden, New Jersey, July 24, 2005 and broadcast on > "WXPN All About The Music Festival". "The first two songs are without > drums as Jay Dee Daugherty was "delayed on a series of train and > plane mishaps." Ex SBD/AUD Matrix mix. this is running at http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=155830 ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 12 19:35:08 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7D2Z8vj021809 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:35:08 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7D2Z7cc021808 for babel-list-obscured; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:35:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7D2Z5UG021800 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:35:06 -0700 Received: from smailcenter70.comcast.net ([204.127.205.170]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007081302350001100lmb4qe>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:35:01 +0000 Received: from [24.18.98.58] by smailcenter70.comcast.net; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:35:00 +0000 From: mare1962 To: babel-list Subject: Patti in Seattle (setlist) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:35:00 +0000 Message-Id: <081320070235.29302.46BFC35400082833000072762200734364CDC0C7CE0A9D0E03> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyZTE5NjJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What a fantastic show! I brought my sister with me and she had never had the "patti experience" and she was completely blown away. This was perhaps my 8th time seeing Patti and it was one of the best ever, however I still can't stop thinking about that show on November 18, 1998 in Washington, DC. Wowsa. The Seattle show will definitely go down as one of my best memories. Patti told a little story about going on a sake tasting (that afternoon??) and described how one sake wasn't so great so she had to get the taste out of her mouth with another taste of something else and so on, this then lead to a "fudge" tasting in another shop and finally she found herself some tea..... : ) I'm probably forgetting something, but I believe this was the set from last night: kimberly redondo beach everybody wants to rule the world we three are you experienced because the night soul kitchen beneath the southern cross within you without you summer cannibals white rabbit ghost dance smells like teen spirit pushing too hard (Lenny intro and peter buck sitting in, sublime) gloria people have the power everybody hurts rock n roll nigger --- Peace everyone..... From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 13 06:56:41 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7DDuf8W027706 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:56:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7DDufBX027705 for babel-list-obscured; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:56:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [63.240.77.85]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7DDucIo027691 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:56:40 -0700 Received: from smailcenter57.comcast.net ([204.127.205.157]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007081313563701500pha53e>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:37 +0000 Received: from [24.18.98.58] by smailcenter57.comcast.net; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:36 +0000 From: mare1962 To: babel-list Subject: Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:36 +0000 Message-Id: <081320071356.12755.46C0631400090BFD000031D32205886014CDC0C7CE0A9D0E03> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyZTE5NjJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hmmmmm. In retrospect, now I think that little sake/fudge/tea rap was her intro to White Rabbit. D'oh!!! : ) Great show!!!! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: mare1962 > What a fantastic show! I brought my sister with me and she had never had the > "patti experience" and she was completely blown away. This was perhaps my 8th > time seeing Patti and it was one of the best ever, however I still can't stop > thinking about that show on November 18, 1998 in Washington, DC. Wowsa. > > The Seattle show will definitely go down as one of my best memories. Patti told > a little story about going on a sake tasting (that afternoon??) and described > how one sake wasn't so great so she had to get the taste out of her mouth with > another taste of something else and so on, this then lead to a "fudge" tasting > in another shop and finally she found herself some tea..... > > : ) > > I'm probably forgetting something, but I believe this was the set from last > night: > > kimberly > redondo beach > everybody wants to rule the world > we three > are you experienced > because the night > soul kitchen > beneath the southern cross > within you without you > summer cannibals > white rabbit > ghost dance > smells like teen spirit > pushing too hard (Lenny intro and peter buck sitting in, sublime) > gloria > people have the power > everybody hurts > rock n roll nigger > > --- > > Peace everyone..... From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 13 09:00:58 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7DG0w4K005139 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:00:58 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7DG0wjo005138 for babel-list-obscured; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:00:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7DG0ubo005129 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:00:57 -0700 Received: from smailcenter48.comcast.net ([204.127.205.148]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2007081316005101500phr3ge>; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:51 +0000 Received: from [216.231.35.46] by smailcenter48.comcast.net; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:51 +0000 From: mare1962 To: babel-list Subject: great little blog on Seattle show..... Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:51 +0000 Message-Id: <081320071600.7045.46C08033000519AF00001B852200735446CDC0C7CE0A9D0E03> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyZTE5NjJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ This really says it all: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/12/101418.php peace ya'll...... Marilyn in Olympia (formerly DC) From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 13 21:55:04 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7E4t3CC023702 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:55:03 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7E4t3c6023701 for babel-list-obscured; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:55:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7E4t2Bo023690 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:55:02 -0700 Received: from dong (c-24-18-141-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.18.141.28]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070814045456b1300eeuuje>; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:54:56 +0000 Message-ID: <01c401c7de2f$3e4cd3c0$6401a8c0> From: "Cuthbertson, John" To: References: <200708130900.l7D9002Z007077> Subject: Patti / Seattle Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:54:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What a great show! Roughly two hours with the band - including Jackson - and they were in rare form! As usual, Patti fed off the energy of the audience and they couldn't get enough of her & the band. If you go expecting to hear the new / old songs as they are on the CD, you'll be pleasantly surprised. The tracks were reworked for the stage and the live versions are quite stunning. Tracks covered from 'Twelve' included 'Are You Experienced', 'Within You Without You', 'White Rabbit', 'Soul Kitchen', 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Everybody Hurts'. Peter Buck joined the band for a handful of songs toward the end of the show. If a recording of this show exists, I'd sure like to get a copy! Thanks to Patti & the band for a great night! John From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 14 03:37:39 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EAbdqU017027 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:37:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7EAbdHr017026 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:37:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from Front-end2.KRONOS.COM (front-end2.kronos.com [158.228.2.30]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EAbcax017014 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:37:38 -0700 Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end2.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:37:30 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Patti / Seattle Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01c401c7de2f$3e4cd3c0$6401a8c0> Thread-Topic: Patti / Seattle Thread-Index: AcfeL4WNPEGRZnygRaGK9MNf4lGRKgAL3NUQ References: <200708130900.l7D9002Z007077> <01c401c7de2f$3e4cd3c0$6401a8c0> From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: "Cuthbertson, John" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2007 10:37:30.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D96CCF0:01C7DE5F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id l7EAbcax017022 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ During the live "Teen Spirit" performances is somebody playing banjo? Jackson? - Mitch -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Cuthbertson, John Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:55 AM To: babel-list Subject: Patti / Seattle What a great show! Roughly two hours with the band - including Jackson - and they were in rare form! As usual, Patti fed off the energy of the audience and they couldn't get enough of her & the band. If you go expecting to hear the new / old songs as they are on the CD, you'll be pleasantly surprised. The tracks were reworked for the stage and the live versions are quite stunning. Tracks covered from 'Twelve' included 'Are You Experienced', 'Within You Without You', 'White Rabbit', 'Soul Kitchen', 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Everybody Hurts'. Peter Buck joined the band for a handful of songs toward the end of the show. If a recording of this show exists, I'd sure like to get a copy! Thanks to Patti & the band for a great night! John From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 14 07:30:25 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EEUP6c002120 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:25 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7EEUPNB002119 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from postal.argia.net (postal.argia.net [209.168.125.63]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7EEUNsr002113 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 5798 invoked by uid 510); 14 Aug 2007 14:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20070814143037.5797.qmail> References: <200708140900.l7E9017M007831> In-Reply-To: <200708140900.l7E9017M007831> From: "sjackson" To: babel-list Subject: Re: babel-digest V12 #177 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Pretty good list, except Patti didn't play that Tears for fears song, Luckily! Lennys solo number ( the Seeds song) was pretty cool, Patti came out and did a big yawn during Lennys lead, then danced with him. During that rap on the sake and fudge tasting, someone asked if she tried any Northwest ganga, and she said well, no body offered her any of that! It was pretty funny. Maybe I missed this earlier, but I got a 12 shirt at the show with a pic of a little girl and a rabbit. Anyone know who it is? Steve babel-digest writes: > > babel-digest Tuesday, August 14 2007 Volume 12 : Number 177 > > > > In this issue: > > Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) > great little blog on Seattle show..... > Patti / Seattle > > See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the babel-list > or babel-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:36 +0000 > From: mare1962 > Subject: Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) > > hmmmmm. > > In retrospect, now I think that little sake/fudge/tea rap was her intro to White Rabbit. > > D'oh!!! > > : ) > > Great show!!!! > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: mare1962 >> What a fantastic show! I brought my sister with me and she had never had the >> "patti experience" and she was completely blown away. This was perhaps my 8th >> time seeing Patti and it was one of the best ever, however I still can't stop >> thinking about that show on November 18, 1998 in Washington, DC. Wowsa. >> >> The Seattle show will definitely go down as one of my best memories. Patti told >> a little story about going on a sake tasting (that afternoon??) and described >> how one sake wasn't so great so she had to get the taste out of her mouth with >> another taste of something else and so on, this then lead to a "fudge" tasting >> in another shop and finally she found herself some tea..... >> >> : ) >> >> I'm probably forgetting something, but I believe this was the set from last >> night: >> >> kimberly >> redondo beach >> everybody wants to rule the world >> we three >> are you experienced >> because the night >> soul kitchen >> beneath the southern cross >> within you without you >> summer cannibals >> white rabbit >> ghost dance >> smells like teen spirit >> pushing too hard (Lenny intro and peter buck sitting in, sublime) >> gloria >> people have the power >> everybody hurts >> rock n roll nigger >> >> --- >> >> Peace everyone..... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:51 +0000 > From: mare1962 > Subject: great little blog on Seattle show..... > > This really says it all: > > http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/12/101418.php > > peace ya'll...... > > Marilyn in Olympia (formerly DC) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:54:46 -0700 > From: "Cuthbertson, John" > Subject: Patti / Seattle > > What a great show! Roughly two hours with the band - including Jackson - and > they were in rare form! As usual, Patti fed off the energy of the audience > and they couldn't get enough of her & the band. If you go expecting to hear > the new / old songs as they are on the CD, you'll be pleasantly surprised. > The tracks were reworked for the stage and the live versions are quite > stunning. Tracks covered from 'Twelve' included 'Are You Experienced', > 'Within You Without You', 'White Rabbit', 'Soul Kitchen', 'Smells Like Teen > Spirit', 'Everybody Hurts'. Peter Buck joined the band for a handful of > songs toward the end of the show. > > If a recording of this show exists, I'd sure like to get a copy! Thanks to > Patti & the band for a great night! > > John > > ------------------------------ > > End of babel-digest V12 #177 > **************************** > > To unsubscribe from babel-digest, send the following command > in the body of a message to "majordomo": > > unsubscribe babel-digest > > To subscribe, send the command "subscribe babel-digest" instead. > > If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe something other than the > account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, > then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe > "local-babel": > > subscribe babel-digest local-babel > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "babel-digest" > in the commands above with "babel-list". > > Archives for the list (in monthly non-digest form) can be found at > http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ . From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 14 08:22:37 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EFMbW9006129 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:22:37 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7EFMbQL006128 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:22:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EFMZY6006116 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:22:35 -0700 Received: from smailcenter58.comcast.net ([204.127.205.158]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2007081415222401300kaljoe>; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:22:29 +0000 Received: from [216.231.35.46] by smailcenter58.comcast.net; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:22:23 +0000 From: mare1962 To: "sjackson" , babel-list Subject: Re: babel-digest V12 #177 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:22:23 +0000 Message-Id: <081420071522.14015.46C1C8AF00027D1E000036BF2205886360CDC0C7CE0A9D0E03> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyZTE5NjJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ yeah, I was wrong about the tears for fears song, must have heard it in the car and got confused. I think Are you Experienced was the first cover. Are you talking about the feed your head shirt??? That was pretty cool. I wonder if it's patti or some family member of hers..... That really was one of the best shows I've ever seen and lots of ganga was being burned that night...... Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "sjackson" > Pretty good list, except Patti didn't play that Tears for fears song, > Luckily! > Lennys solo number ( the Seeds song) was pretty cool, Patti came out and did > a big yawn during Lennys lead, then danced with him. > During that rap on the sake and fudge tasting, someone asked if she tried > any Northwest ganga, and she said well, no body offered her any of that! It > was pretty funny. > Maybe I missed this earlier, but I got a 12 shirt at the show with a pic of > a little girl and a rabbit. Anyone know who it is? > > Steve > babel-digest writes: > > > > > babel-digest Tuesday, August 14 2007 Volume 12 : Number 177 > > > > > > > > In this issue: > > > > Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) > > great little blog on Seattle show..... > > Patti / Seattle > > > > See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the babel-list > > or babel-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:36 +0000 > > From: mare1962 > > Subject: Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) > > > > hmmmmm. > > > > In retrospect, now I think that little sake/fudge/tea rap was her intro to > White Rabbit. > > > > D'oh!!! > > > > : ) > > > > Great show!!!! > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: mare1962 > >> What a fantastic show! I brought my sister with me and she had never had the > >> "patti experience" and she was completely blown away. This was perhaps my > 8th > >> time seeing Patti and it was one of the best ever, however I still can't stop > >> thinking about that show on November 18, 1998 in Washington, DC. Wowsa. > >> > >> The Seattle show will definitely go down as one of my best memories. Patti > told > >> a little story about going on a sake tasting (that afternoon??) and described > >> how one sake wasn't so great so she had to get the taste out of her mouth > with > >> another taste of something else and so on, this then lead to a "fudge" > tasting > >> in another shop and finally she found herself some tea..... > >> > >> : ) > >> > >> I'm probably forgetting something, but I believe this was the set from last > >> night: > >> > >> kimberly > >> redondo beach > >> everybody wants to rule the world > >> we three > >> are you experienced > >> because the night > >> soul kitchen > >> beneath the southern cross > >> within you without you > >> summer cannibals > >> white rabbit > >> ghost dance > >> smells like teen spirit > >> pushing too hard (Lenny intro and peter buck sitting in, sublime) > >> gloria > >> people have the power > >> everybody hurts > >> rock n roll nigger > >> > >> --- > >> > >> Peace everyone..... > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:51 +0000 > > From: mare1962 > > Subject: great little blog on Seattle show..... > > > > This really says it all: > > > > http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/12/101418.php > > > > peace ya'll...... > > > > Marilyn in Olympia (formerly DC) > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:54:46 -0700 > > From: "Cuthbertson, John" > > Subject: Patti / Seattle > > > > What a great show! Roughly two hours with the band - including Jackson - and > > they were in rare form! As usual, Patti fed off the energy of the audience > > and they couldn't get enough of her & the band. If you go expecting to hear > > the new / old songs as they are on the CD, you'll be pleasantly surprised. > > The tracks were reworked for the stage and the live versions are quite > > stunning. Tracks covered from 'Twelve' included 'Are You Experienced', > > 'Within You Without You', 'White Rabbit', 'Soul Kitchen', 'Smells Like Teen > > Spirit', 'Everybody Hurts'. Peter Buck joined the band for a handful of > > songs toward the end of the show. > > > > If a recording of this show exists, I'd sure like to get a copy! Thanks to > > Patti & the band for a great night! > > > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of babel-digest V12 #177 > > **************************** > > > > To unsubscribe from babel-digest, send the following command > > in the body of a message to "majordomo": > > > > unsubscribe babel-digest > > > > To subscribe, send the command "subscribe babel-digest" instead. > > > > If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe something other than the > > account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, > > then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe > > "local-babel": > > > > subscribe babel-digest local-babel > > > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "babel-digest" > > in the commands above with "babel-list". > > > > Archives for the list (in monthly non-digest form) can be found at > > http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ . From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 14 09:00:24 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EG0Okn009550 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:00:24 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7EG0Of4009549 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:00:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.166]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7EG0M7V009532 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:00:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 94125 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 16:00:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SFOPXmJBOyvPrWBf/c1G4Q2Ni23/mEG9cvNjopk5fPrN4N+fOdswQu+f+S5PuHOpaKcgsbfNOgAblEJhwhzOi6wClRFMmSQHz/ebvfGpZipcVED0hZTBOdrEI7VvuIiTkxPTGPsQ7uGfQuVYxCWEidQKIF3CIpVwxGIqe7pCg8U=; X-YMail-OSG: f_xDB.cVM1mlIW4o4NPxw0BKzgmAvoAAoFNSY3BuY7KTrEFZRNMTVPmmmM_PmDh0vmHiyJO3CxNcj1aZRKtggHtc.Wx7KugTTW_k140fmnrBuUoE6UY- Received: from [71.138.80.137] by web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:00:22 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Li Lightfoot Subject: Re: babel-digest V12 #177 To: mare1962, Babel In-Reply-To: <081420071522.14015.46C1C8AF00027D1E000036BF2205886360CDC0C7CE0A9D0E03> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <966045.93301.qm> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ That picture (it's the same as on Patti's website?) is a famopus photo of the girl that "Alice in Wonderland" was written for. That's Alice! I forget her last name. I will see Patti in San Francisco tonight and Santa Cruz tiomorrow. Thanks for all your reviews, I'm sure we're in for a great show - after all, this is the White Rabbit hole. Be well all, Li mare1962 wrote: yeah, I was wrong about the tears for fears song, must have heard it in the car and got confused. I think Are you Experienced was the first cover. Are you talking about the feed your head shirt??? That was pretty cool. I wonder if it's patti or some family member of hers..... That really was one of the best shows I've ever seen and lots of ganga was being burned that night...... Marilyn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "sjackson" > Pretty good list, except Patti didn't play that Tears for fears song, > Luckily! > Lennys solo number ( the Seeds song) was pretty cool, Patti came out and did > a big yawn during Lennys lead, then danced with him. > During that rap on the sake and fudge tasting, someone asked if she tried > any Northwest ganga, and she said well, no body offered her any of that! It > was pretty funny. > Maybe I missed this earlier, but I got a 12 shirt at the show with a pic of > a little girl and a rabbit. Anyone know who it is? > > Steve > babel-digest writes: > > > > > babel-digest Tuesday, August 14 2007 Volume 12 : Number 177 > > > > > > > > In this issue: > > > > Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) > > great little blog on Seattle show..... > > Patti / Seattle > > > > See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the babel-list > > or babel-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:36 +0000 > > From: mare1962 > > Subject: Re: Patti in Seattle (setlist) > > > > hmmmmm. > > > > In retrospect, now I think that little sake/fudge/tea rap was her intro to > White Rabbit. > > > > D'oh!!! > > > > : ) > > > > Great show!!!! > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: mare1962 > >> What a fantastic show! I brought my sister with me and she had never had the > >> "patti experience" and she was completely blown away. This was perhaps my > 8th > >> time seeing Patti and it was one of the best ever, however I still can't stop > >> thinking about that show on November 18, 1998 in Washington, DC. Wowsa. > >> > >> The Seattle show will definitely go down as one of my best memories. Patti > told > >> a little story about going on a sake tasting (that afternoon??) and described > >> how one sake wasn't so great so she had to get the taste out of her mouth > with > >> another taste of something else and so on, this then lead to a "fudge" > tasting > >> in another shop and finally she found herself some tea..... > >> > >> : ) > >> > >> I'm probably forgetting something, but I believe this was the set from last > >> night: > >> > >> kimberly > >> redondo beach > >> everybody wants to rule the world > >> we three > >> are you experienced > >> because the night > >> soul kitchen > >> beneath the southern cross > >> within you without you > >> summer cannibals > >> white rabbit > >> ghost dance > >> smells like teen spirit > >> pushing too hard (Lenny intro and peter buck sitting in, sublime) > >> gloria > >> people have the power > >> everybody hurts > >> rock n roll nigger > >> > >> --- > >> > >> Peace everyone..... > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:00:51 +0000 > > From: mare1962 > > Subject: great little blog on Seattle show..... > > > > This really says it all: > > > > http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/12/101418.php > > > > peace ya'll...... > > > > Marilyn in Olympia (formerly DC) > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:54:46 -0700 > > From: "Cuthbertson, John" > > Subject: Patti / Seattle > > > > What a great show! Roughly two hours with the band - including Jackson - and > > they were in rare form! As usual, Patti fed off the energy of the audience > > and they couldn't get enough of her & the band. If you go expecting to hear > > the new / old songs as they are on the CD, you'll be pleasantly surprised. > > The tracks were reworked for the stage and the live versions are quite > > stunning. Tracks covered from 'Twelve' included 'Are You Experienced', > > 'Within You Without You', 'White Rabbit', 'Soul Kitchen', 'Smells Like Teen > > Spirit', 'Everybody Hurts'. Peter Buck joined the band for a handful of > > songs toward the end of the show. > > > > If a recording of this show exists, I'd sure like to get a copy! Thanks to > > Patti & the band for a great night! > > > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of babel-digest V12 #177 > > **************************** > > > > To unsubscribe from babel-digest, send the following command > > in the body of a message to "majordomo": > > > > unsubscribe babel-digest > > > > To subscribe, send the command "subscribe babel-digest" instead. > > > > If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe something other than the > > account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, > > then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe > > "local-babel": > > > > subscribe babel-digest local-babel > > > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "babel-digest" > > in the commands above with "babel-list". > > > > Archives for the list (in monthly non-digest form) can be found at > > http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When we forget to pray for the angels, then the angels forget to pray for us." Leonard Cohen From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 14 09:02:40 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EG2d2l009801 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:02:40 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7EG2drY009800 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:02:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.183]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7EG2cib009784 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:02:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 38550 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2007 16:02:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QpQDf4KYtvVp5gm18dQVYgdGHi82XP36PcKnWTd94zJgE2lmhXpfaKiwNxxLRIVX26JwbO2v4bCgSmrusdQRnxOxTMiDIDtKAikIONoPFzCNuedf/46X3IeBkXFNv1TUSglXNdg/+Z7SaV5LgpR7RLTYHDn/KZ3zZhYPKVPoRZA=; X-YMail-OSG: 2vyhDs0VM1mxcHW8kEDRof1HbCAO_s.t8Goll6oPvy7CFYnqGMQ1cF4knEHJyBb4WA-- Received: from [69.59.124.197] by web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:02:38 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: James Davidson Subject: RE: Patti / Seattle To: patti smith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <978728.35646.qm> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ No, it was guitar.................Seattle Showbox was totally awesome, it ranks at the top of the Patti performances I have seen. The crowd was feeding off Patti and Patti was feeding off the people. She gave it all to us...............jd "Gart, Mitchell" wrote: During the live "Teen Spirit" performances is somebody playing banjo? Jackson? - Mitch -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Cuthbertson, John Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:55 AM To: babel-list Subject: Patti / Seattle What a great show! Roughly two hours with the band - including Jackson - and they were in rare form! As usual, Patti fed off the energy of the audience and they couldn't get enough of her & the band. If you go expecting to hear the new / old songs as they are on the CD, you'll be pleasantly surprised. The tracks were reworked for the stage and the live versions are quite stunning. Tracks covered from 'Twelve' included 'Are You Experienced', 'Within You Without You', 'White Rabbit', 'Soul Kitchen', 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Everybody Hurts'. Peter Buck joined the band for a handful of songs toward the end of the show. If a recording of this show exists, I'd sure like to get a copy! Thanks to Patti & the band for a great night! John --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 14 09:44:45 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EGijvs013421 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:44:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7EGijgs013420 for babel-list-obscured; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:44:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7EGiivM013407 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:44:44 -0700 Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JMR006X0VU9USC0> for babel-list; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.212] (Forwarded-For: 24.190.82.51, [10.240.3.212]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:44:33 +0000 (GMT) From: jonam329 Subject: tix for Beacon Theater show-mine are for sale To: Babel List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hi fellow fans, I'd bought 2 tix to see Patti in NY at the Beacon Theater on Sep. 14, but now realize I'll be away bringing my daughter to college. the tix are for upper balcony seats. they were $50 plus TicketMaster fees = $60 for the pair. I hate to see them left unused, so if you'd like to purchase them, please mail me off this list. John From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 15 11:32:39 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7FIWd7X018038 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7FIWd8Q018037 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7FIWbWD018030 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:32:38 -0700 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TdLgRKMQAg3RHB34Ax8AulMzR7sHVQa4ov9r46l8Peay684IxU77BkPinW/YQWkR; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.41] (helo=elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ILNfX-0007PE-3S for babel-list; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:32:35 -0400 Received: from 208.13.90.163 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:32:32 -0400 Message-ID: <11468860.1187202752975.JavaMail.root> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Reply-To: Keith To: babel-list Subject: Smells Like Teen Spirit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 714f392c8724831074bf435c0eb9d478598c614bbd8bd823d538bed393147fb8879b14ae93ffab50350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.41 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ For "Smells Like Teen Spirit" when I saw her in Minneapolis last week she had some guy on banjo named Dave (?) that they "found on the street" in Minneapolis. haha When I saw them do the same song at Lollapalooza 2 days before there was no banjo. Oh and also the Minneapolis show had Dan Murphy and Dave Pirner from Soul Asylum playing along and Tony Glover on harmonica. Keith > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:37:29 -0400 >From: "Gart, Mitchell" >Subject: RE: Patti / Seattle > >During the live "Teen Spirit" performances is somebody playing banjo? >Jackson? > >- - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 15 12:13:00 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7FJCxP4020599 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:13:00 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7FJCxVi020595 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:12:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from Front-end1.KRONOS.COM (front-end1.kronos.com [158.228.2.31]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7FJCvQa020581 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:12:58 -0700 Received: from exchg-f.KRONOS.COM ([158.228.0.199]) by Front-end1.KRONOS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:12:50 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Smells Like Teen Spirit Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:12:49 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11468860.1187202752975.JavaMail.root> Thread-Topic: Smells Like Teen Spirit Thread-Index: AcffawiWBD+voEoqRjivMlwL3j3p3AABNIZA References: <11468860.1187202752975.JavaMail.root> From: "Gart, Mitchell" To: "Keith" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 19:12:50.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[45C33260:01C7DF70] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id l7FJCwQa020590 Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Tony Glover? I think really early in Patti's career, early 70's, she performed with him and there was a rumor of a live album that someday Patti was going to release. It was supposed to be called Rock N Rimbaud. I don't think it has ever surfaced even as a bootleg or a tape. Has anybody heard of this? - Mitch -----Original Message----- From: owner-babel-list [mailto:owner-babel-list] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:33 PM To: babel-list Subject: Smells Like Teen Spirit For "Smells Like Teen Spirit" when I saw her in Minneapolis last week she had some guy on banjo named Dave (?) that they "found on the street" in Minneapolis. haha When I saw them do the same song at Lollapalooza 2 days before there was no banjo. Oh and also the Minneapolis show had Dan Murphy and Dave Pirner from Soul Asylum playing along and Tony Glover on harmonica. Keith > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:37:29 -0400 >From: "Gart, Mitchell" >Subject: RE: Patti / Seattle > >During the live "Teen Spirit" performances is somebody playing banjo? >Jackson? > >- - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 15 15:35:46 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [127.0.0.1]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with ESMTP id l7FMZkbD032649 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:35:46 -0700 Received: (from majordom) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id l7FMZkoB032648 for babel-list-obscured; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:35:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: penguin.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.68.237]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.12.11/mcb2004-04-16-SBL-and-CBL) with SMTP id l7FMZiFV032641 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:35:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 41896 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2007 22:36:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nuZN30cBOoEQWlqpFI+gkEn82Bftr+edh2qZlFgIEHLknHx6HORbk2K75FtEoGy1qWif/+UmkIMCiXV1Qg1C4KTDbWuCarKgWAnfKSh2zf1XgCH+x5P8v5aEGs16VdlqyNkeRHucH1OK5Na0YMPFYM7jrqtu74I2E0gg2xNlEY8=; X-YMail-OSG: AZLybn0VM1lYtz0vak5oehssBkrx7wjoaWqyJ6SI6XXMl9H1nphLyNVJ9oQoemnL7xCPt4g7GyyJuzLCB0zqnddRcfrhGhDko5K23czJNOfT89YPq8eSA2IK3ReESg-- Received: from [67.101.151.16] by web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:36:15 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: L French Subject: Patti Smith Turns in Legendary Concert To: Babel list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <996647.41279.qm> X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01a X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ FILLMORE SET LIST 8/14/08 KIMBERLY REDONDO R U EXPERIENCED WITHIN YOU, WITHOUT YOU SOUTHERN X WE 3 PUSHING TOO HARD SUMMER CANNIBALS WHITE RABBIT AINT IT STRANGE BECAUSE SOUL KITCHEN SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT GLORIA PISSING GIMME SHELTER R n R NIGGER PATTI SMITH TURNS IN LEGENDARY CONCERT By Jim Harrington STAFF WRITER Contra Costa Times 8/15/2007 When Patti Smith released the cover-song collection "Twelve" earlier this year, it was seen by many as a stopgap, something that would hold fans over until the punk-rock pioneer got around to recording her next batch of originals. Skeptics figured that her label, Columbia Records, wanted to have some new product on shelves to coincide with Smith's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Their hunch appeared to be further validated by the songs Smith chose to record on "Twelve," a mostly obvious collection of tunes from such often-covered giants as Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles, Paul Simon, Bob Dylan and the Doors. That hypothesis, however, took a mighty beating on Tuesday night at the Fillmore in San Francisco as the 60-year-old Chicago native turned in an inspired two-hour-plus performance that was highlighted by "Twelve" material. Performing in front of a capacity crowd and fronting her regular Patti Smith Group, which includes longtime collaborator/guitarist Lenny Kaye, the vocalist took these well-known cover songs and transformed them into pieces that felt as exciting and as original as anything in her own songbook. Of course, Smith has a healthy track record in such pursuits. Most notably, her heavily re-worked version of Van Morrison's "Gloria," which she recorded on 1975's "Horses," stands as a classic in its own right. After opening the show with a pair of "Horses" cuts, the hypnotic "Kimberly" and the bouncy "Redondo Beach," Smith picked up her clarinet and began blowing out what could be loosely called free jazz. Her fellow musicians joined in with some spacey noodling that might've pleased the Deadheads in the crowd. Then, suddenly, out of the vast unknown, a song began to materialize -- Hendrix's "Are You Experienced?" Veteran concertgoers hear Hendrix covered frequently, but few acts can pull it off convincingly. That's where Smith's pedigree and her authenticity come into play. When she roars out the lyrics "Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have," there's simply no doubting her qualifications to walk in Jimi's shoes. Smith loves playing at the Fillmore, a place where she always seems to put on a great show, and was very talkative and warm to the crowd. She spoke of the 40th anniversary of the Summer of Love and of that season's significant events during her introduction to the Beatles' "Within You Without You." "This little song by George Harrison is dedicated to the 40th anniversary of everything," she said. Harrison would have been proud of the rendition of this number, which Smith has called "the forgotten song of 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.'' The Eastern-style arrangement was fairly sparse and meditative and the lyrics were delivered with gentle care, allowing the crowd to focus on Harrison's message that "with our love, we could save the world." She followed with a couplet of mesmerizing beauties from 1996's "comeback" album "Gone Again," "Beneath the Southern Cross" and "Wing," the latter of which she dedicated to the imprisoned John Walker Lindh (better known as the "American Taliban"). Just when things started to get a bit heavy, Smith lightened the load by discussing Christina Aguilera (which she pronounced "Aguliera," like malaria). But this wasn't a tirade against the pop diva -- it was a heartfelt compliment about the Grammy performance delivered by "Aguliera." "The reason I bring that up," Smith said, "is that (her performance) made me want to do better." Then, like a gauntlet had been thrown, the vocalist took her act to the next level as she ranted through a powerful version of the "Gone Again"-track "Summer Cannibals" and then dove headfirst back into "Twelve." This segment produced some of the most delightful moments of the concert, including a psychedelic version of Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" that would have pleased even the savviest of hookah-smoking caterpillars. Sounding every bit as slippery sexy as the original Lizard King, Jim Morrison, Smith then turned up the burners on the Doors' "Soul Kitchen" and provided a slice of Nirvana with a sensational take on "Smells Like Teen Spirit." She closed the main set by revisiting Van the Man's timeless spelling lesson "Gloria." What appeared to be a stopgap on record turned out, in concert, to be a batch of material that fans wished would never stop. In the end, Patti Smith proved more than just that she is worthy of covering such artists as Dylan, the Beatles and the Stones. Indeed, she showed that she deserves to be ranked alongside all of them as one of the greatest performers in rock history. --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 15 15:39:05 2007 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (