CafePress & Betty Bowers (mostly NPC)

[Marilyn Turnbow <mare1962>]

I Iearned about Cafepress via http://www.bettybowers.com/ (the world's 
best christian).  Good stuff, very clever.  The movie review site will 
have you howling.  It's all good though.

http://www.cafepress.com/bettybowers

As for Ollie, as long as he made Patti happy at one time, then that's 
what counts.  I'm more curious as to who she might be involved with 
now.

Peace everyone!

Marilyn in Olympia



On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:50 AM, jackthecat wrote:

> hard to be her boyfriend with all of us crazy maniac fans?????? Ollie 
> didn't give a crap...he became a meanspirited son of a bitch as soon 
> as he got over his stage fright....all he managed to do was make patti 
> a nastier person than she normally has been since I ever have been in 
> her vicinity....she is very very nice now.....I guess its a relief to 
> be rid of the little untalented turd and get rid of the charade that 
> he's her collaberator and a poet....his output over their 10 years 
> call whatever song they did together patti's gift and her belief that 
> Ollie had talent....as for Tony, he's a saint, yeah he got along with 
> Ollie, did he have a choice....???? I give him credit for keeping the 
> band together when no one else could stand the little untalented 
> nonmusical whiner..I think he broke up many a band meeting fight, and 
> many a non band meeting fight too....Tony has the patience of Job and 
> the talent of a multiinstrumentalist.....as the new guy I guess he got 
> stuck with the job of keeping Lenny from quitting or walking off stage 
> as Oliver got treated like the son of George HW Bush, and had about as 
> much musical literacy as W has intelligence or ability to 
> speak/talk/walk/empathize/lead/read/or ride a bike.  I would like to 
> point out that Ollie rose to the top despite his no talent and 
> underwear model cum beat poet sensitive pale blue eyes hooked into the 
> Ann Arbor Ginsberg Annual Poetry Project probably cuz of his 
> stockbroker/rich wall street type divorced (how broken he must be and 
> so thin) dad who had connections where he had the good/bad fortune to 
> meet patti...all I want to say is what about the Andi Ostrowe's of 
> Patti's world, the person who sat and wrote down the words patti 
> dictated from her hospital bed wherever that was, when she was 
> recovering for months after she broke her neck in January 
> 1976....??????? Andi took down every word by hand that patti said and 
> that was Babel....without Andi, no Babel.... What about those 
> people????  The people at Gotham Book Mart that helped her sell her 
> books, other book people that didn't rip her off like that first guy 
> did.....Hanuman Books, yeah Ollie worked there I think, not due to his 
> creative output tho.... what about Sadowsky musical instruments that 
> the band used for a while.....did they help out the band???? what 
> about the Bowery Ballroom setting aside New Years and two other days 
> the first year or 2 not knowing who would show up.....Just so this 
> isn't a stupid email check out cafepress.com, (or org), its a bunch of 
> local/small businesses working out of one email address with great 
> bumper stickers.   I just thought of one stupid one: Tony likes Ollie. 
> Go Tony!!!!  Tony is A Tiger.... Dreamy Tony Shanahan...all the Girls 
> and Boys Love Tony!!!!!! He's from NJ.  NJ 's looking for a state 
> slogan, I say. New Jersey: Home of Dreamy Tony Shanahan. JTC, 
> vitriolicolliebasheritsfun.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "unnamed user" 
> <unnameduser>
> To: "Phil Grabar" <pgrabar>; <babel-list>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Patti on Conan
>
>
>> Darn, you saw through my alias. I was going to try to create a 
>> groundswell
>> for my return. If only I were old enough to have shot junk with you 
>> guys in
>> the 70's, then I could be accepted as a true bohemian artiste. Yoko
>> Ray.......Have you ever noticed how most redneck fellons usually have 
>> the
>> name Ray or Wayne Ray?
>>
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Phil Grabar <pgrabar>
>>> To: <babel-list>
>>> Date: 12/14/2005 7:00:41 PM
>>> Subject: Fwd: Re:  Patti on Conan
>>>
>>> >Hey Oliver - welcome to babel-list!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Jesus, you guys are hard on Oliver. I rather liked him. He and
>>> > Tony seemed to genuinely like each other. In the 5 or 6 concerts
>>> > I've seen him in, he has been excellent. I admit, I never saw him
>>> > in his training period, but the band has been tight in several of
>>> > the shows I've seen. It must have been rough to be Patti's
>>> > boyfriend and have to deal with you nutty/possessive fans. Cut him
>>> > some slack. He wasn't perfect, but neither are any of us.
>>> >
>>> >unnamed user
>>> >unnameduser
>>> >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>>>
>>>
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