Re: Extra CDR for Trade or B&P!

["Anthony J. Rzepela" <rzepelaa>]

Gart, Mitch wrote:

> I've often wondered where the studio outtakes are from the early
> albums, especially Horses.  They must be around somewhere.  Would
> love to hear them.  With all the Patti bootlegs and tape trading,
> I've never come across any of them.

I'm sure I've posted this before, but then, Mitch has
been known to send duplicate posts which arrive a year
apart, so... ;)

  From a 1997 Goldmine interview with Jay Dee Daugherty...

  Q: You got tagged as Musical Consultant to
  help Bob Irwin with the Arista reissues, so
  that's a clear acknowledgement of your
  contribution to the larger picture. What
  did your role as Consultant entail?

  JDD: Crawling around in the vaults looking
  for tapes! [whispering] The master tapes for
  _Horses_ have been lost! Which I was
  extremely upset to discover! No one knows
  where they are or whether they still exist.
  You know how things go. We actually wound
  up mastering that [reissue CD] from an
  EQ'd master for LP mastering, a safety copy.
  It still sounded better than what was put
  out initially on CD. But the one thing I
  wanted to get my hands on was those tapes!
  I know this is heresy, but I would like
  to remix it, just to make it sound a little
  bit stronger. I never thought it was as good
  as it could have been.

    And I know there were alternative takes,
  because a friend gave me a cassette about
  five years ago of alternate takes - like
  "Land" that I remember us cutting! It was
  so bizarre putting it on, and as I was
  listening to it, "Oh, I remember this! I
  remember this!" I would remember where John
  [cale] kept interrupting us. You know, I
  think if any of the stuff would have been of
  interest, it would have been finding outtakes
  or oddiites from that period.

  Q: There has always been this feeling that
  there must not be a lot left in the vaults.

  JDD: Well, there really wasn't much left.
  I mean, everything that's on "Masters",
  that's it; there were no extra tracks. There
  was "Chiklets" from the _Ethiopia_ sessions;
  it was something we'd done live before a
  few times, but it just wasn't deemed quite
  as good. Also, that was back in the day
  when you were limited to twenty minutes a
  side, so.. And that's it! Unless the _Horses_
  stuff shows up. And none of us remember
  recording anything that didn't make it
  onto the record. There was one jam session
  with Allen Lanier and John Cale. All this
  after-the-fact digging up of stuff, it's
  weird, and it bothers me a little bit. You
  made your choices then, so why not respect
  them. Go with "first thought/best thought".
  You left it off, why not really leave it off!
  [laughs]