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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Sat Oct 11 07:03:00 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9BC2ouP014019; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:02:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9BC2oHH014018; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:02:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9BC27Cu013950 for <bomp@router.xnet2.com>; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:02:19 -0500 Received: from ItsBoss9@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c43.38c661bc (29277) for <bomp@router.xnet2.com>; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from D5N9P451 (cpe-76-168-212-184.socal.res.rr.com [76.168.212.184]) by ciabeta-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIABETADA013-725d48f095b637; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:01:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:59:59 -0700 From: "Its Boss 9" <itsboss9@aol.com> Subject: [bomp] Luxuriamusic.com is archived now / Paisley Underground favorites To: bomp@router.xnet2.com In-Reply-To: <200810110900.m9B90Beu008772@router.xnet2.com> Message-ID: <1f215c3a.7d10.475c.a67b.61d72016aeee@aol.com> References: <200810110900.m9B90Beu008772@router.xnet2.com> X-Mailer: AOL Desktop 1.3.133.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AOL-IP: 76.168.212.184 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:02:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:02:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from MULTIPART/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca Blair, I gotta say that, during the years The Paisley Underground came about here in Los Angeles, I was going through a real hermit period. Imagine this, my family, friends... everybody I knew... used to tell me back in the '70s... "you go to too many concerts". I'd been hearing this for so many years by the time I was 19 (!) that I thought, "oh, o.k., then let's see if I could live without it, then". So I kind of went on a 5 year sabbatical beginning in 1980, and really pretty much missed "The Paisley Underground" thought I did have some friends who were into it, and was aware of it. Got to hear a few records of it through them, I guess, but nothing much was sticking to me between 1980 and 1985 other than finding bootleg copies of Shindig, Where The Action Is, Beat Club, Beat Beat Beat etc. That was my "compensatory factor" for not going out. Of course, when The Cavern happened in 1985, something about it got me off my ass, and back into the clubs. Ten seconds later I was producing "It's Happening," so you can see how that came together. Part of being a hermit, of course, was the fact that I was going to college then as well, so the television production classes I was taking gave me the ability to shoot The Tell Tale Hearts, Unclaimed, The Nashville Ramblers etc. for the show. It didn't hurt that my teacher was Joe Keene, who directed "Hollywood a Go Go," which, along with "Groovy" was my favorite television show back in the '60s. The friends I was talking about were Darian Sahanaja and Nick Walusco, who later formed the core of The Wondermints. They were just a couple of real shy kids then, but very knowledgeable about all kinds of '60s sounds. They were really big on The Bangs/The Bangles actually, but played me other bands too. And I bought The Long Ryders "Native Sons" just outta wanting to hear Gene Clark sing on "Ivory Tower," Byrds freak that I am. But that is why this Paisley Underground presentation Alejandro Cohen put on at L.A.C.E. Gallery became a good idea for a radio show, because, at the very least, I can tape the records he brings in when he's on the show, and find out more about what I would have liked, had I not stopped going out between '80-'85. The consolation, also, was that during 1976-1979 is I did get to see the birth of the L.A. Punk Rock scene, from The Berlin Brats and The Quick straight through to all those bands that played The Masque Benefit, which now you can view and read about in Brendan Mullen's books "We Got the Neutron Bomb" and "The Masque". I may have been the only teenager in town, though, who would go see, say, The Screamers at Whisky a Go Go, then the next week go see someone like Chris Hillman or Richie Furay at The Roxy... the price for tickets was pretty much identical for either club... and though both are still open, neither club is anything like they were back in the late '70s, that's for damn sure. The Roxy was clean and somewhat upscale, with a nice menu and of course a very '70s record industry vibe, cloaked of course in that California Country Rock sound (Neil Young played The Roxy's opening night). Whisky a Go Go still had it's original '60s flavor, with the booths in the back and those French motif mirrors and such... tables elevated above the dance floor, I mean, it was basically LEFT OVER from the '60s in those days, and they didn't book bands who sang about hating "niggers and faggots" like Guns and Roses. When that song "One in A Million" came out, I moved away from Los Angeles for the very first time, because the city itself had become like that, not the liberal bastion it had been during the time that I documented in my book "Riot on Sunset Strip". Whisky a Go Go basically purged any and all punk rock, or anything with any diversity, and went for a strict Metal format, pay to play, no less. So that's why I maintain zero tolerance for hessians, because its practicioners would go around and "hunt" for punk rockers to jump, and beat the hell out of, physically. Those people wanted punk, and anything connected to it, out of Hollywood for good, and they succeeded. Yes, it was the exact polar opposite of the '60s on Sunset Strip, and though the hessians loved their sex, drugs and so-called "rock 'n' roll," most of them that I met also loved the right wing politics of their white-flight San Fernando Valley parents, and were basically pro-Reagan/Bush if the subject of politics ever came up. Just like Heather Locklear and that hessian she married, dig? A far cry from The Artists' Tower of Protest in '66. So yeah, The Paisly Underground died under the weight of the '80s record industry, and the pressure for a young band doing anything diverse in the enviroment here during the 1980s was too much, and their music got compromised by the end to a charachterless average. But this guy, Alejandro, comes to it not knowing anything about The Paisley Underground until a few years ago, then he hears the best of what came out of it with really fresh ears. So I'm looking forward to the radio show Sunday. (Luxuriamusic.com, 10 a.m. California time, 1 p.m. New York, 6 p.m. London). Greg Shaw told me that he felt that the record industry in the 1980s was also in league with the corporate culture of the time, and reflected far too much of the right wing deal. Hell, The Record Industry kissed Reagan's ass to get an embargo on imports, that way, they wouldn't have to compete with all the punk and new wave coming from Europe that was putting a dent in their domestic sales. I'm not quoting Greg Shaw here, but he did say something like, the forces of that kind of politics, there was no way anybody upstairs in the record biz, or the government, wanted to see a '60s psychedelic revival happen, despite how many kids were actually into it. They weren't going to put their advertising dollars into promoting those ethos... the last time that would happen would be with The MC5. In fact, when I had dinner with all the remaining beatniks in San Francisco (something we did during the release of Holly George Warren's "Book of the Beats"), they were explaining to me how what happened with The MC5, John Sinclair and all that scared Columbia Records so much, that they went out instead, afterward, to find a "de-politicized Bob Dylan" and that's when they got behind Bruce Springsteen. So that's the root of it. But for me, it was none other than George Harrison who summed it all up best with a song he did in the early '80s called "Unconsciousness Rules". And, a very candid (1982, I believe) interview he did for "Good Morning Australia," if you can find that somewhere. There it was, the Beatles' magic, still flickering somehow in my logic... those guys managed to consolidate what people were feeling, and express it in a public forum, and that's why I think so many people gravitated to them even as far back as 1963. George's scene in the advertising office in "A Hard Day's Night" is exactly the same kind of objectivity to corporate fucks shoving "the right wing" down your throat. Difference was, The Beatles trumped all that shit in the '60s. Domenic Priore
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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Mon Oct 13 07:56:36 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DCuQ22006434; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:56:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9DCuQxv006433; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:56:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.193]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id m9DCuB2i006410 for <bomp@router.xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:56:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 98448 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2008 12:56:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:M IME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HHcowNKcSQP+6qBp9z0dayYzKYNfHPSfNaXxss8pLH6aw0Kavgld3YH9QODN6CseYve+ZGhEO pzwv2PCJNU3v9MeJy3UKIIBdsjqb/3FxXaPV7+1Qon4TtZpmuERTMFSOk6Q3yEmzpOlxbQJ84Gk gUCxX6IvJstw5QWs/eLOe0g=; X-YMail-OSG: Ve2197EVM1nmELjnGTdWEIswbrTRtaxYOfhBjy54A6jt7WLuokNcDhA3zL2SQB2b5IEw9ojQOCR K004L8Lkc5HtBnKATbCE5A9iEhrUlyr0iwE3d0WG.GeM72rF3EHKTIYzDodzRrznlZ4C8heb7re KOzTQToJmq5khErgGumpxngaHUV0jw44x7z3c- Received: from [206.169.242.254] by web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:56:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: AndreaH <zelia_and_george@yahoo.com> Subject: [bomp] Food on the LES To: bomp@router.xnet2.com In-Reply-To: <200810090900.m9990BwB012497@router.xnet2.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <950034.98374.qm@web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:56:35 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:56:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca Hey Count Brockula, I don't think you'll be in danger of starving. :) Unless things have changed in the past year, that area is still pretty filthy with food, including all-night pizza places. One of my favorite restaurants in the area is Village Mingala, a Burmese place on E. 7th between 2nd and 3rd. It's right near the hat shop called Village Scandal. Veneiro's is on E. 11th, if you want some good pastry and espresso, or if you don't want to wait, DiRoberti's is around the corner (it's a bit cheaper, too, IIRC). Have fun! We might get a chance to swing into the city in a couple of weeks, when we go to Chiller in Parsippany. --Andrea --- On Thu, 10/9/08, bomp-digest <owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com> wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:14:00 -0400 From: "Count Brockula" <moptop66@rogers.com> Subject: [bomp] Food on the LES It's been a while since I've been to New York and even longer since I lived there (I've been quite horrified to see what's happened to my old neighborhood - I lived around 1st and St Mark's). We rented an apt (thanks Todd for the head's up on Craigslist rentals) at 9th and 2nd and outside of a trip over to Maxwell's, we're pretty much not going to be leaving the neighborhood. Since it's been so long, I have no idea what there is food wise anymore. Any suggestions are appreciated but pizza is the primary need. I know what used to be there but not what's there now. If anyone has suggestions of places outside of the LES, please keep 'em in Manhattan- we just won't have the time to get anywhere else.
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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Mon Oct 13 09:06:32 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DE6MwN013710; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:06:31 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9DE6MI8013709; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:06:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.84]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id m9DE67ux013660 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:06:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 67166 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2008 14:06:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:M IME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=DwvwKX0GR2Gt0dtrdfiAmRsW/7JyHCb9uwS+i9El7AJyTdhzQRaMIqTKmTq0OSKHq0IF8/4fs huGtUMJxnLYSh8/36WDwfwxvTIvjfVUA+TJLSlA7/zfVIXgXfpRs2JG0+r4Fh3gN+pTbS1GtSEw YDrn+WMXE5Nvf3RceXW1F6U=; X-YMail-OSG: R32xousVM1lV6UhsmRFknbfLU_n6OBAFfl.jtzdpQ1RTu0snyJH2I0aFoawVh5KkelC7lmucqf6 CRRr1hVV7vwYAxK98zrKiqwt9HAvButxhBdBu58vgUdFI8G1IW8hTMYnFuU78rie9Y5jZ35iV6p 4ZZXIev615iR5Zy2XBQX_H0Gb5nm98ZRv.6zBd Received: from [192.155.58.221] by web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:06:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Widenhofer <bwidenhofer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [bomp] unexpected uncoolness To: Refs Bomp <bomp_list_refugees@yahoogroups.com>, bomp@xnet2.com, Exotica List <exotica@mailman.xmission.com>, RP Keith <baskervilles@aol.com>, Ann Eliza <annelizamusoke@yahoo.com>, Bub Taylor <rottensun_2000@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <588086.41051.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <60702.65489.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:06:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:06:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca When I saw the URL I was hoping against hope that it was Redd Kross McD's and not the Corporation Deathburger Clown. Mayor McCheese ruins everything... --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Lounge Laura Taylor <queenjanefondle@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Lounge Laura Taylor <queenjanefondle@yahoo.com> Subject: [bomp] unexpected uncoolness To: "Refs Bomp" <bomp_list_refugees@yahoogroups.com>, "list bomp" <bomp@xnet2.com>, "Exotica List" <exotica@mailman.xmission.com>, "RP Keith" <baskervilles@aol.com>, "Ann Eliza" <annelizamusoke@yahoo.com>, "Bub Taylor" <rottensun_2000@yahoo.com> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 1:06 PM I about passed out when I saw this... http://stereogum.com/archives/video/os-mutantes-help-mcdonalds-celebrate-th e- olympics_010450.html http://www.myspace.com/surface_noise http://www.myspace.com/venusin majordomo@xnet2.com <===
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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Mon Oct 13 10:39:43 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DFdXhJ026234; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:39:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9DFdXgw026233; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:39:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DFdIrK026193 for <bomp@router.xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:39:30 -0500 Received: from ItsBoss9@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id 6.c5f.42e9c6fa (29280) for <bomp@router.xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from D5N9P451 (cpe-76-168-212-184.socal.res.rr.com [76.168.212.184]) by ciabeta-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIABETADA022-726048f36b9e1d2; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:39:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:39:10 -0700 From: "Its Boss 9" <itsboss9@aol.com> Subject: [bomp] Re: bomp-digest V2008 #2351 To: bomp@router.xnet2.com In-Reply-To: <200810130900.m9D90B9N010077@router.xnet2.com> Message-ID: <d57adbc4.3541.472e.ac9d.056c0aae16ff@aol.com> References: <200810130900.m9D90B9N010077@router.xnet2.com> X-Mailer: AOL Desktop 1.3.133.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AOL-IP: 76.168.212.184 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:39:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:39:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from MULTIPART/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca <Dylan of course was a very safe, great image type for the Columbia brand, and a de-politicized one is what they <wished for. BTW, "safe" isn't the best word here, I should have said "well-established" for the Columbia brand. Also, mainstream media hyped Bruce Springsteen as the "future of rock 'n' roll" during the mid-'70s and kind of stuck with him, when in fact, The Ramones and everyone who came in their wake was more like what the future of rock 'n' roll turned out to be... mainstream American media, radio etc. forevermore took a condescending attitude toward this however, while Springsteen, Petty et al were more rational and acceptable to their jobs. Always remember that Rolling Stone said in 1977 that punk rock was a passing fad, and that Steve Miller was more like what would be the direction things would be going. Domenic Priore
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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Mon Oct 13 11:22:55 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DGMkVs000852; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:55 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9DGMjq2000851; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.98]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id m9DGMVQm000803 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 22173 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2008 16:22:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:M IME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=pxYJQX/aA1RYebNbFUzUkzyLoVViv1uEGFEGHU36EfZ196BhWBn2mEXSyUEHA1j4NdYOf97q2 R2JhAgtHxhCHmjoJuB3cGWp8cAqKwSgpMgrQPvS7nGmUR/Spp7pMD1+vg4h2QNSfKsxW0p9dK1/ H1FaELI5czA5N74yylejv6A=; X-YMail-OSG: iQFG1RMVM1nW72dHmbmYKHi6A2k6jV6mvYAxV3OQWgx2794AbQGvSPXk4lbF4qq6lRCYNf1nNaF DlTVI3xvpyRnMx8sb00luwOKzWdC4SiZQymcY1IhZDyxX5OV0CraR7qbDnRerZ1nmFNVa1O4u4j kbs2ITDmrGOYtVlRpz5uXfW7cNpm6v1vxfVB4- Received: from [63.24.160.235] by web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:22:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: jumpinginthenight <jumpinginthenight@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [bomp] Re: bomp-digest V2008 #2351 To: bomp@xnet2.com In-Reply-To: <d57adbc4.3541.472e.ac9d.056c0aae16ff@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <583214.21624.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:22:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca Springsteen was the future of "rock" --the Ramones were the future of "rock n roll." --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Its Boss 9 <itsboss9@aol.com> wrote: From: Its Boss 9 <itsboss9@aol.com> Subject: [bomp] Re: bomp-digest V2008 #2351 To: bomp@router.xnet2.com Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 11:39 AM <Dylan of course was a very safe, great image type for the Columbia brand, and a de-politicized one is what they <wished for. BTW, "safe" isn't the best word here, I should have said "well-established" for the Columbia brand. Also, mainstream media hyped Bruce Springsteen as the "future of rock 'n' roll" during the mid-'70s and kind of stuck with him, when in fact, The Ramones and everyone who came in their wake was more like what the future of rock 'n' roll turned out to be... mainstream American media, radio etc. forevermore took a condescending attitude toward this however, while Springsteen, Petty et al were more rational and acceptable to their jobs. Always remember that Rolling Stone said in 1977 that punk rock was a passing fad, and that Steve Miller was more like what would be the direction things would be going. Domenic Priore majordomo@xnet2.com <===
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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Mon Oct 13 14:49:15 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DJn5ah006545; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9DJn5xr006544; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com (bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com [209.202.208.119]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DJmobY006504 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com [127.0.0.1]) by bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0A9145834 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lycos.com Received: from bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bg9zT6lTW7Ir for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bos-mail-wwl13.lycosmail.com (unknown [10.124.67.242]) by bos-mail-outfilter5.bos.lycos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18CF1456AF for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hanadmin@localhost) by bos-mail-wwl13.lycosmail.com (8.12.9/8.9.1) id m9DHb6PI006763 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:37:06 +0900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [76.118.70.11] From: "Mark Robinson" <wytches@lycos.com> To: <bomp@xnet2.com> Subject: [bomp] Radio On! 10/15 - 9:30 - 91.5 X-Mailer: Lycos Web Mailer 1.1 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20081013133706.HM.0000000000005oV@wytches.bos-mail-wwl13.lycos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HM-TU: jla0iYgPUATqKzM5waEJYLSVI28u4QfHJaWiCFMbiAE= X-Hanmail-Attr: fc=6 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca The Mesmerines will play a live set and chat it up a bit on WMFO (http://www. wmfo. org) on Weds. 10/15, around 9:30pm. Dial in/log in and see how clever these gents truly are. If anyone on this list has a radio show drop me a line and we can send out promo package. info@themesmerines.com Rev. Mark R. Robinson Church Of Gospel Ministry www.themesmerines.com
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From owner-bomp@router.xnet2.com Mon Oct 13 15:12:42 2008 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DKCV5N009695; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m9DKCVv5009694; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: router.xnet2.com: majordom set sender to owner-bomp@xnet2.com using -f Received: from omta0108.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by router.xnet2.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9DKCHMk009667 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:29 -0500 Received: from dm0201.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0108.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66B1C38718 for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm0201 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d064d887) id dm0201.48ee6228.200c for <bomp@xnet2.com>; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:12:15 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQMIX4VI86ufb4XLeAIAAAAB,d3990a62ab4cfc25b1672a3072e35366 Message-ID: <48F3B064.1267B351@planetkc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:32:37 -0500 From: Rick McCullough <rsmccull@planetkc.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bomp@xnet2.com Subject: Re: [bomp] clarifying perhaps what those guys were saying References: <200810120900.m9C90BtP022473@router.xnet2.com> <f2406375.49b5.4ad6.959b.0a71247cc90c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: Recipient e-mail whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.12 (router.xnet2.com [70.145.132.254]); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:29 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_SECURITYSAGE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.9 (2007-02-13) on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on router.xnet2.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-bomp@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the body X-BompList-Administrator: count_brockula@yahoo.ca I wrote: > <The idea of Springsteen being Columbia's stooge as a "de-politicized Bob Dylan" is pretty, uh, ironic considering <how Bruce nearly wrecked his career in the 70s by suing his then-manager to get out of a slave-labor contract. <How much support did he get from his label then? BTW, Dylan was never political, at least in a John Sinclair/MC5 <way. He still isn't while the past two decades have seen Springsteen get about as openly political as possible. Its Boss 9 wrote: > Oh, that's right, those guys who witnessed all that stuff were wrong, and you're right, because you reference Springsteen material from times many, many years after all this happened. > > We're not talking about the last two decades, we're talking about something inside Columbia Records during the very early '70s. "Dylan" in their sentence of course meant the Columbia reputation of Dylan during the majority of the '60s, not his new direction circa "Nashville Skyline" or "Blood on the Tracks". A lot of Dylan albums on Columbia were purchased by people who thought of Dylan as a political avatar, whether the maestro wanted that reputation or not, that's how Columbia perceived his market value. By the late '60s The MC5 had taken things "too far" in Columbia's estimation, and people were getting scared off, at least Columbia seemed scared off. Dylan of course was a very safe, great image type for the Columbia brand, and a de-politicized one is what they wished for. Look at how Springsteen has always been pitched to this upscale "smart" audience that reads Time and Newsweek (he was on the cover of both in the same week), gawd, will we ever stop reading about > Springsteen in the pages of The New York Times? Long exposes about his moods, or whatever. At least The L.A. Times got rid of Robert Hilburn, who also was a part of over-rating Bruce Springsteen all these years. > > Nobody used the word "stooge" when applied to Springsteen, he was just what Columbia was looking for after all that controversy. This argument needs a timeline for the logic to become apparent. > > The Columbia/Springsteen lawsuit happened in 1975, or after that? All those more political songs by Springsteen must have happened a long time later even, I never heard any of them on his first three albums... the last of which came out in '75. And yes, I've heard all the first three Springsteen albums, stuff like "Kitty's Back," "Rosalita," "Blinded By the Light," Spirit in the Night," and the whole Born to Run album... have no real political songs... not that they have to be that. They certainly weren't rockin' the boat like the MC5 or early Dylan however you slice it. > > If that all ironically changed later, I understand that being of interest, but it has no bearing on this story the Beats told me, as it pertains to the time they were talking about, not the time or the music you are talking about (because that didn't exist yet). > > That said, I'm not of the typical Gagage mindset that hates Bruce Springsteen, even (which is ironic since one of the guys in his E Street Band now works with Garage). I went to see Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band at the Santa Monica Civic in 1976, and brought 15 of my friends from High School. Later that same year I also saw the first punk rock bands in L.A., The Berlin Brats and The Quick, and frankly, Springsteen was touted at "the future of rock 'n' roll" by all these poindexter types, but the other thing is what really happened. Too bad it was tough for city newspapers and the type of glossy news magazines Dylan put down in "Don't Look Back" to embrace the other thing. And here we are to day, nothing has changed in that respect. Except that John Cougar Mellencamp is waffle-iron Bruce Springsteen. > > This is not an argument with Dom, who I've never known, but respect as a published author. It's merely a discussion. Having established that, facts are facts: Probably everyone on this list knows that the man who brought Bob Dylan to Columbia's attention - John Hammond - is the John Hammond who got Bruce Springsteen signed to the same label about a decade later. If there was some New Guard at the label determined to keep any new Dylans out, Hammond didn't get the memo. What everyone here also knows is that critic Jon Landau, the 'poindexter' who made that famous prediction and who became Bruce's manager, was the same Jon Landau who produced the MC5's "Back in the USA" album. Even during his pre-motorcycle accident days, Dylan consistently knocked down suggestions by fans and media that his songs were the artistic representation of some vague New Left dogma. To this lifelong fan, when Bob tried to lean in that direction with "The Times They Are A-Changin' it was not one of his better efforts. Now as a confirmed skeptic of conspiracy theories, be they political or musical, I've yet to be convinced that there was a vast, coordinated effort to prevent certain bands from being signed for purely ideological reasons. No doubt crap like that did happen, but behind the Iron Curtain in places like Poland and the former Czech Republic (and probably East Germany), not in the U.S. or Britain. If anyone has hard smoking gun evidence to the contrary, please provide a link or some documented reference other than the stoned ramblings of certain West Coast hipsters. Does anyone really think that if 'Back in the USA' and 'High Time' had sold better, that the industry wouldn't have signed up an army of MC5 soundalikes? Those records were commercial flops as were the very first punk releases (in the U.S.). In other words, it was commerce, not ideological stridency, that doomed the '5.' Look, we're currently in the middle of an economic catastrophe, fighting two wars and in less than a month will be participating in the most consequential national election since 1932. Surely, the alleged machinations of record moguls in the early 70s pales to what's happening right now. Rick
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Yes, Bob has been to my record room and speaks the truth! We've been
selling off some stuff,but the obsessive nature dictates that almost as
many rekkids keep coming in....(sigh.)
A good friend of mine, male, came up with a distinction I'd rather align
myself with....and that's "accumulator."
I actually have only spent a max of $30 on a record or CD. That's it. Of
course, I am a thrift/flea hound, so perhaps I am lucky.
But I am not a completist, nor am I so competitive that I HAVE to have it
NOW...
I have 5-thousand LPs, countless CDs and CDRs...lotsa 45s, etc...so, why
spend that much? I'll die before I hear it all again unless there are great
advances in medical technology!
Still, I'll elbow you at the next FCCing show, so watch out!
http://www.myspace.com/surface_noise
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