Re: [bomp] Directors writing fiction

[weisbaker <roky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

i knew that about touch of evil which is so great btw i would not even try 
to label the Mfer(!); once again, no offense obviously, but you are too 
protective of yr bailiwick and defs; i think cheap culture, lipsticked 
collars,dark shadows, crime, and dissolute and dissipated characters roam 
freely from dime stores to pulps to hardboiled detective fiction to nor 
films.

we've had this discussion before here (i think): i find goodis's fiction ( 
an aesthetic template for french new wave films as much as the great 
american movie detour) to be enhanced critically when looked through the 
lens of , say, manny farber's groundbreaking essay on american gangster 
film. i believe (and it ain't coz i teach some of this to bored NJ 
gangbangers) that an element of pop cult is that the defs are so loose; not 
loose enough to include horatio alger and deadwood dick novels as pulp but 
loose enough to incorporate elements of identity search, american innocence, 
the virgin territory west of mississippi as starting off points for 
discussion. it's easier to mine for gold with an inclusive spirit as opposed 
to a limiting one. anyways if i call an ashton kutcher film "sitcommy" i 
think that's a fair critical term. no one would mistake that for a comment 
that suggests that that piece of fucking swill movie is a piece of fucking 
swill Fox sitcom with 23 minutes of undiluted garbage and laughtracks. but 
jiggling tits, bad acting, and dialogue borrowed from closing time at an 
encino singles bar are certainly present in both.

i think calling some novels cinematic (and therefore) noirish is an OK 
thang: when i read chandler i see the city, the sewers, the pool of not 
quite clotted blood near the library doors: in Melville, however, i get 
those things and a meditation on god and life.

it's all just words. it's just that some are bigger.

and i can still outball sayles.

NP
a bootleg of Flying BB's' Colorado: i can barely type through the tears.

have a great day

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jumpinginthenight" <jumpinginthenight@yahoo.com>
To: <bomp@xnet2.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [bomp] Directors writing fiction


>
> I meant PULP FICTION was a hit movie not MR. ARKADIN.
>  Anyway, "Pulp" has nothing to do with "noir." This was a French term they 
> started applying to formerly embargoed because of the war Grade B movies 
> they finally got to see after the fact.  A book can't be "noir" anymore 
> than Danny & the Juniors can be "freakbeat." But if you look at say the 
> western HIGH NOON it is a "noir."
>  More Welles: did you know he pitched the idea of TOUCH OF EVIL from an 
> airport phonebooth with no idea of a title. A paperback on a nearby rack 
> with that title inspired him. But he made up his own plot.
>
>
> weisbaker <roky@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> I think he meant it had pulpish noodlings, not that it resembled them in 
> the
> external apparatus or physical format: Mr. snider was also prob
> interpolating noir defs with acceptable pulp defs with his description: a
> fairly honest endeavor all in all
>
> btw gone with the wind was a hit movie; Mr. Arkadin was not. I bet less 
> than
> 10, 000 people saw it and that's a ( hodgepodgy )product from one of the 
> few
> great American directors!
>
> go Texas!
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jumpinginthenight"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [bomp] Directors writing fiction
>
>
>>
>> Ohh, wrong use of "pulp novel." Pulp novel means the full-length (30,000
>> word?) fiction that appeared in 1930s & '40s newsstand magazines printed
>> on cheap pulpwood. They were pretty much dead by the '50s, killed by
>> paperbacks as well as TV & comic books [which all used the same genres:
>> Westerns, mystery, war, adventure, masked avengers, science fiction].
>> just cause some hit movie came along doesn't mean we suddenly throw out
>> 70 years of accepted definition.
>>
>> Michael Snider wrote:
>>
>> weisbaker wrote:
>> hey
>>
>> i know this one
>>
>> tony blair's wife (i think) is daughter
>>
>> which makes george bush and anthony booth cousins?
>>
>> booth btw is star of lovely and literate L shaped room , a real knockout,
>> directed by bryan forbes, the only(?) top notch director i know who is
>> also
>> a fine fiction writer unless you include sayles who authored several
>> noteworthy leftish short stories in the late 60's (or a little later)
>>
>> Orson Welles' "Mr. Arkadin" (the book) is a fun little 50s pulp novel,
>> it's actually better than the (miscast) film
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> We talk and talk until my head explodes
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>> I turn on the news and my body froze
>>
>> The braying sheep on my tv screen
>>
>> Make this boy shout, make this boy scream!
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