Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with?

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I adore DOUBLE INDEMNITY...especially as we see Fred go bowling and drinking beer IN HIS CAR in the middle of the day!
Ever see SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS?! Gads,that's good!


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> 
> i prefer david goodis novels to david goodis movies btw 
> 
> 
> no argument about the importance of late 40's american noir film and its 
> influences 
> 
> in last 3 weeks 
> i have seen 
> 
> detour 
> big sleep 
> blast of silence 
> double indemnity 
> altman's and elliot gould's long goodbye 
> big heat 
> 
> 
> btw the question re who "invented" hard boiled is interesting-- 
> michael snider is dead on to find continental philosophy (camus, sartre, 
> bergson) influential. 
> 
> mmmmm 
> 
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> From: "jumpinginthenight" 
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> Subject: Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with? 
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> > 
> > "If you want noir" you have to see it in a movie! It's a French term for 
> > the movies their film critics missed during WWII and finally got to see 
> > later.A "noir" novel is like a "stereo" pizza! In print, you would call it 
> > "hard-boiled" fiction. 
> > 
> > weisbaker wrote: 
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> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Michael Snider" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:19 AM 
> > Subject: Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with? 
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> >> 
> >> --- jumpinginthenight 
> >> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Chandler & Hammett, yes. Also Carroll John Daly, 
> >> 
> >> Daly was the Mickey Spillane of the 20s/30s. More 
> >> historically important than readable IMO. 
> >> 
> >>> Kenneth Robeson, 
> >> 
> >> Never heard of him. 
> >> 
> >> Sax Rohmer, John P. Marquand, 
> >>> Seabury Quinn, Walter B. Gibson, Grant Stockbridge, 
> >>> Leslie Charteris, Edgar Rice Burroughs. 
> >>> 
> >> James M. Cain and Horace McCoy should be on that list 
> >> too, although I don't know if you've read their stuff. 
> >> And farther removed from the pulp universe, Orwell, 
> >> Celine, Henry Miller, Faulkner, Camus (although "The 
> >> Stranger" is IMO a hard boiled novel) 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > well the 30's were dominated by WPA/watered down naturalism--steinbeck, 
> > henry roth, farrell, richard wright, mccoy, and yes camus: btw celine has 
> > the greatest novel of that decade not counting faulkner who was the babe 
> > ruth of the 20s/30s: one immortal feat after another (absalom is my fave 
> > novel). 
> > 
> > edagr rice is a great choice (ithought he was more 1910-1930, hence johnny 
> > w' films) and marquand is also underrated. charteris and stockbridge i 
> > have 
> > no taste for. remrmber the 1930's as crowning achievemets in wallace 
> > stevens 
> > and auden's poetry, for diff reasons. speaking of brits: woolf was 
> > ending/graham greene was beginning, and i'm a big fan of jean rhys, 
> > firbank, 
> > isherwood--mannered, brittle upper class twits. 
> > 
> > and no list is complete without flann o'brien, the funniest writer since 
> > wilde. 
> > 
> > btw 
> > becket's novels begin somewhere here --37? 38?--and if you want noir, and 
> > genius, they are the beginning and the ending of modernism. 
> > 
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