From owner-tigers-beastsign@router.xnet2.com Tue Dec 2 05:35:19 2003 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB2BZJaY003927; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:35:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2BZJ58003925; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:35:19 -0600 Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.86]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB2BZIaY003920 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:35:18 -0600 Received: from kgsystems.net ([66.223.126.72]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2BZFaG006559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:35:15 -0500 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by kgsystems.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hB2BZEG35554 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:35:14 GMT (envelope-from JSchneide@t-online.de) Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AR8oD-0002k4-02; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:35:13 +0100 Received: from t-online.de (rXFVEQZQoeq4e3d8ixXk7DZDbPpehd+ybKt8cAJ1nbbDOr-I2mYYoG@[62.157.62.41]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1AR8mW-0JEK3s0; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:33:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3FCC77F0.1040204@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:30:56 +0100 From: JSchneide@t-online.de (Joerg Schneide) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-DE; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: de,en-US,en-GB,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tigers@kgsystems.com Subject: SPI functions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: rXFVEQZQoeq4e3d8ixXk7DZDbPpehd+ybKt8cAJ1nbbDOr-I2mYYoG Sender: owner-tigers@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tigers@kgsystems.com Hi, has anyone used the SPI function SPI_IO$ and can tell me if it is faster than SHIFT_OUT/SHIFT_IN? How does it behave if there is a gap (related to the clock pulses) or a pause (related to time) between the send string from Tiger and the answer from the device I want to talk to? Thanks, Joerg. ===> Contact mail-list administrator: webmaster@Kgsystems.com ===> Tiger info: http://www.industrialcontroller.com/wilke/ ===> Unsubscribe or view archive: http://kgsystems.xnet2.com ===> Purchase Tigers (USA): http://www.kgtechsales.com From owner-tigers-beastsign@router.xnet2.com Tue Dec 2 21:53:41 2003 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB33rfaY024736; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:53:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB33rfrU024734; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:53:41 -0600 Received: from mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (mail15.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.99]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB33rdaY024727 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:53:40 -0600 Received: from kgsystems.net ([66.223.126.72]) by mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB33rOqB025285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:53:24 -0500 Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by kgsystems.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hB33rLG22611 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:53:22 GMT (envelope-from adrianjansen@internode.on.net) Received: from adrian2 (ppp191-207.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net [150.101.191.207]) by smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (8.12.4/8.12.9) with SMTP id hB33rE3d059414 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:23:15 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <000a01c3b950$a7d285e0$cfbf6596@adrian2> From: "Adrian Jansen" To: References: <035c01c3a979$29827ba0$75bc6596@adrian2> Subject: Input port protection on Tiny Tiger Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:50:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-tigers@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tigers@kgsystems.com Hi All, I am looking at adding a direct input from a remote switch direct to a Tiger I/O port pin. I dont see any specs on the max input current/voltage a pin is designed to stand. Unfortunately there isnt much room in the existing design for extra components, so I cant afford too much space. I was hoping that just a pullup resistor, around 100 K, plus a series resistor of 15 K or so between the switch/pullup junction and the pin would protect against reasonable overvoltage, say 12 volts max. The switch will be on the end of a couple of metres of cable, in a fairly quiet environment - ie no big motors, solenoids, etc, but some intermittent RF from a 5 watt transmitter nearby. We can test for RF sensitivity, I'm more worried about things like damage from spikes caused by static discharge etc. Any thoughts ? Regards, Adrian Jansen adrianjansen@internode.on.net J & K MicroSystems Microcomputer solutions for industrial control ===> Contact mail-list administrator: webmaster@Kgsystems.com ===> Tiger info: http://www.industrialcontroller.com/wilke/ ===> Unsubscribe or view archive: http://kgsystems.xnet2.com ===> Purchase Tigers (USA): http://www.kgtechsales.com From owner-tigers-beastsign@router.xnet2.com Wed Dec 3 08:18:34 2003 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB3EIYaY013734; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:18:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3EIYUT013732; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:18:34 -0600 Received: from mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (mail2.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.76]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB3EIXaY013725 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:18:33 -0600 Received: from kgsystems.net ([66.223.126.72]) by mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB3FI2fA032540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:18:02 -0500 Received: from mailgate.webstream.net (mailgate.webstream.net [64.234.192.17]) by kgsystems.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hB3EIHG79395 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:18:27 GMT (envelope-from jbode@brgproducts.com) Received: from bmail.webstream.net (bmail.webstream.net [64.234.192.18]) by mailgate.webstream.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCF183914 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4 (adsl-216-63-200-9.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net [216.63.200.9]) (authenticated jbode@brgproducts.com LOGIN bits=0) by bmail.webstream.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hB3EI29u025448 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:18:12 -0500 From: "John Bode" To: Subject: RE: Input port protection on Tiny Tiger Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:17:57 -0600 Message-ID: <001401c3b9a8$47218810$6501a8c0@server4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <000a01c3b950$a7d285e0$cfbf6596@adrian2> Sender: owner-tigers@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tigers@kgsystems.com Adrian, We have huindreds of installations that use external control lines connected to the Tiger. When we first started, the wires were connected directly to the processor. However, many installations experienced interference on the lines and disrupted operation. Some were located in relatively low RF environments. Some had longer wire runs than others. We now use opto isolators on all external control lines. We no longer experience any problems with noise on the control lines. Best Regards, John Bode BRG Precision Products -----Original Message----- From: owner-tigers@xnet2.com [mailto:owner-tigers@xnet2.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Jansen Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:51 PM To: tigers@kgsystems.com Subject: Input port protection on Tiny Tiger Hi All, I am looking at adding a direct input from a remote switch direct to a Tiger I/O port pin. I dont see any specs on the max input current/voltage a pin is designed to stand. Unfortunately there isnt much room in the existing design for extra components, so I cant afford too much space. I was hoping that just a pullup resistor, around 100 K, plus a series resistor of 15 K or so between the switch/pullup junction and the pin would protect against reasonable overvoltage, say 12 volts max. The switch will be on the end of a couple of metres of cable, in a fairly quiet environment - ie no big motors, solenoids, etc, but some intermittent RF from a 5 watt transmitter nearby. We can test for RF sensitivity, I'm more worried about things like damage from spikes caused by static discharge etc. Any thoughts ? Regards, Adrian Jansen adrianjansen@internode.on.net J & K MicroSystems Microcomputer solutions for industrial control ===> Contact mail-list administrator: webmaster@Kgsystems.com ===> Tiger info: http://www.industrialcontroller.com/wilke/ ===> Unsubscribe or view archive: http://kgsystems.xnet2.com ===> Purchase Tigers (USA): http://www.kgtechsales.com ===> Contact mail-list administrator: webmaster@Kgsystems.com ===> Tiger info: http://www.industrialcontroller.com/wilke/ ===> Unsubscribe or view archive: http://kgsystems.xnet2.com ===> Purchase Tigers (USA): http://www.kgtechsales.com From owner-tigers-beastsign@router.xnet2.com Wed Dec 3 09:28:02 2003 Received: from router.xnet2.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB3FS2aY015856; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:28:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3FS2wi015848; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:28:02 -0600 Received: from mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (mail15.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.99]) by router.xnet2.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB3FRvaY015839 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:27:58 -0600 Received: from kgsystems.net ([66.223.126.72]) by mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB3FRqqB002831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:27:52 -0500 Received: from mayon.crosslinkinc.com (IDENT:root@[64.207.25.213]) by kgsystems.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hB3FRPG02430 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:27:30 GMT (envelope-from geh@crosslinkinc.com) Received: from crosslinkinc.com ([10.0.1.49]) by mayon.crosslinkinc.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id hB3FSBq24682 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:28:11 GMT Message-ID: <3FCE00D0.C93C78F8@crosslinkinc.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:27:12 -0700 From: Gordon Hardman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tigers@kgsystems.com Subject: Re: Input port protection on Tiny Tiger References: <035c01c3a979$29827ba0$75bc6596@adrian2> <000a01c3b950$a7d285e0$cfbf6596@adrian2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tigers@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tigers@kgsystems.com Adriaan, I usually use a similar arrangement, but with a 100k or 220k in series, instead of the 15k, if speed is not a problem. Have not seen any problems, we use it near a 2W transmitter in the 800-900MHz range. On PIC projects, I have used this arrangement on a controller for a 1.5kW amp with no problems from RF. Cheers Gordon Adrian Jansen wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am looking at adding a direct input from a remote switch direct to a Tiger > I/O port pin. I dont see any specs on the max input current/voltage a pin > is designed to stand. Unfortunately there isnt much room in the existing > design for extra components, so I cant afford too much space. I was hoping > that just a pullup resistor, around 100 K, plus a series resistor of 15 K or > so between the switch/pullup junction and the pin would protect against > reasonable overvoltage, say 12 volts max. The switch will be on the end of > a couple of metres of cable, in a fairly quiet environment - ie no big > motors, solenoids, etc, but some intermittent RF from a 5 watt transmitter > nearby. We can test for RF sensitivity, I'm more worried about things like > damage from spikes caused by static discharge etc. > > Any thoughts ? > > Regards, > > Adrian Jansen adrianjansen@internode.on.net > J & K MicroSystems > Microcomputer solutions for industrial control > > ===> Contact mail-list administrator: webmaster@Kgsystems.com > ===> Tiger info: http://www.industrialcontroller.com/wilke/ > ===> Unsubscribe or view archive: http://kgsystems.xnet2.com > ===> Purchase Tigers (USA): http://www.kgtechsales.com -- Gordon Hardman V.P., Chief Technical Officer email: geh@crosslinkinc.com CrossLink Inc. phone: 303.473.9232 x101 6185 Arapahoe Ave. fax: 303.473.9660 Boulder, CO 80303 WXRUN *************************************************************************************** To see a world in a grain of sand And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour. 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